Author Topic: Radiator Tag number 66 San Jose T code - w/TE, w/o AC, w/o PS  (Read 5033 times)

Offline Turnall

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Re: Radiator Tag number 66 San Jose T code - w/TE, w/o AC, w/o PS
« Reply #15 on: September 10, 2016, 02:39:46 PM »
Different calendar year, but same year model (both are 66's) fwiw.

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Re: Radiator Tag number 66 San Jose T code - w/TE, w/o AC, w/o PS
« Reply #16 on: September 10, 2016, 02:49:22 PM »
That should be a 6Rxxx VIN right.?
1966 Mustang Hardtop 200 Inline 6 - Arcadian Blue - C4 - Thermactor - 6R07T213966 - San Jose projected build date June 11th 1966 - DSO 71
1966 Mustang Convertible 289-2V - Vintage Burgundy - AT PS DB - 6F08C109403 - Dearborn projected build date September 9th 1965 - DSO 36

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Re: Radiator Tag number 66 San Jose T code - w/TE, w/o AC, w/o PS
« Reply #17 on: September 10, 2016, 03:25:31 PM »
That should be a 6Rxxx VIN right.?

Doing a little research I find that jstefanick's 66 has a vin of 6R08Txxxxxx.

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Re: Radiator Tag number 66 San Jose T code - w/TE, w/o AC, w/o PS
« Reply #18 on: September 10, 2016, 04:12:28 PM »
So, with that same applications as my car, and with same year production (mine is a late 66) can we say that this C6ZE G2 tag will fit my car.?

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1966 Mustang Hardtop 200 Inline 6 - Arcadian Blue - C4 - Thermactor - 6R07T213966 - San Jose projected build date June 11th 1966 - DSO 71
1966 Mustang Convertible 289-2V - Vintage Burgundy - AT PS DB - 6F08C109403 - Dearborn projected build date September 9th 1965 - DSO 36

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Re: Radiator Tag number 66 San Jose T code - w/TE, w/o AC, w/o PS
« Reply #19 on: September 10, 2016, 04:43:27 PM »
So, with that same applications as my car, and with same year production (mine is a late 66) can we say that this C6ZE G2 tag will fit my car.?

Think the question your looking for is "Can we say that this is the correct tag number for my car?"

IMHO its a maybe but not a certainty at this point. Only have one example almost a half years apart from yours - but a place to start
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Re: Radiator Tag number 66 San Jose T code - w/TE, w/o AC, w/o PS
« Reply #20 on: September 10, 2016, 05:00:58 PM »
Think the question your looking for is "Can we say that this is the correct tag number for my car?"
Correct, that's the question.!

IMHO its a maybe but not a certainty at this point. Only have one example almost a half years apart from yours - but a place to start
50/50 chance then :)

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1966 Mustang Hardtop 200 Inline 6 - Arcadian Blue - C4 - Thermactor - 6R07T213966 - San Jose projected build date June 11th 1966 - DSO 71
1966 Mustang Convertible 289-2V - Vintage Burgundy - AT PS DB - 6F08C109403 - Dearborn projected build date September 9th 1965 - DSO 36

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Re: Radiator Tag number 66 San Jose T code - w/TE, w/o AC, w/o PS
« Reply #21 on: September 10, 2016, 05:18:46 PM »
50/50 chance ...

Wouldn't give it that high of odds at this point   ::)

Will have to wait for or find more data/original examples
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Re: Radiator Tag number 66 San Jose T code - w/TE, w/o AC, w/o PS
« Reply #22 on: September 10, 2016, 05:21:15 PM »
Understood Jeff..

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1966 Mustang Hardtop 200 Inline 6 - Arcadian Blue - C4 - Thermactor - 6R07T213966 - San Jose projected build date June 11th 1966 - DSO 71
1966 Mustang Convertible 289-2V - Vintage Burgundy - AT PS DB - 6F08C109403 - Dearborn projected build date September 9th 1965 - DSO 36

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Re: Radiator Tag number 66 San Jose T code - w/TE, w/o AC, w/o PS
« Reply #23 on: September 11, 2016, 08:12:27 PM »
Not so sure your speaking with all facts in place "Autolite". My radiator fits every criteria for being most probably original to the car (Oct 18 65 or thereabouts build date 18K, with a 9 65 stamping on the top). The radiator was sent out for repair on 12/14/82, as the gas station "Green Shell" etched their name on the top of the tank with that date- a common practice when a radiator was sent out for repair at the time (told to me by a gentleman who saw the etching on my radiator and runs an actual radiator rebuild shop out of St.Louis, whom I met at the 2016 Carlisle Ford Nationals). In other words, the radiator has a seemingly long history with the car that predates these repro tags even.

Kevin Marti's book clearly shows the C6ZE G2 code was used on 1966 radiators with a Manual trans, pg. 105 of his code book.

Even the sources you cite, Year One and Mustangs Unlimited say that they were used on about 50% of the cars. There is no code stamped on the side of my radiator support, so this is the likely tag put there at time of production, as at least half of them had, depending on what vendor made them.

I highly doubt mine is a repro, previous owner owned the car from the early 80's to 2010 when I picked it up. Not likely a repro tag on this one.

If you claim this tag was never used by Ford, what sources of information are you using for this opinion?
« Last Edit: September 11, 2016, 08:25:10 PM by jstefanick »

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Re: Radiator Tag number 66 San Jose T code - w/TE, w/o AC, w/o PS
« Reply #24 on: September 12, 2016, 12:22:40 PM »

Here is a late 66 San Jose example (subject of this tread) with a Modine  6 cylinder radiator and a soldered on tag as shown like the V8 San Jose examples. In this example an "A2"

Boy, I blew up that picture, it sure looks like a C6ZE A2 tag to my eyes. Would it be possible to say that we are building a bit of evidence that 6 cylinder, San Jose cars maybe did use the C6ZE tag designation vs. the 8 cylinder C4ZE tag??  Actually looking at further pics in Jeff Speegle's thread of Unrestored June 66 San Jose T code coupe, it clearly is a C6ZE A2 tag.

www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=12291.msg74730#msg74730









« Last Edit: September 12, 2016, 12:29:40 PM by jstefanick »

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Re: Radiator Tag number 66 San Jose T code - w/TE, w/o AC, w/o PS
« Reply #25 on: September 12, 2016, 03:47:59 PM »
C6ZE D2 looks to be the most accurate to my application.

Thanks Autolite.!

Josep
1966 Mustang Hardtop 200 Inline 6 - Arcadian Blue - C4 - Thermactor - 6R07T213966 - San Jose projected build date June 11th 1966 - DSO 71
1966 Mustang Convertible 289-2V - Vintage Burgundy - AT PS DB - 6F08C109403 - Dearborn projected build date September 9th 1965 - DSO 36

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Re: Radiator Tag number 66 San Jose T code - w/TE, w/o AC, w/o PS
« Reply #26 on: September 12, 2016, 05:06:02 PM »
All this is excellent data, and thank you for posting it.
In the "however" department: could you list your sources?
And while we are at it, could you consolidate and format (year, plant, engine etc) all your research data and place it in the Library. Check with Jeff as to which section and other questions? He will work with you as he has with me.
Then, contact Max at AMK, and Kevin at Marti Auto with your research and data. Both have proven to be receptive with corrective input.
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