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1st Generation 1964 1/2 - 1973 - Questions & general discussions that apply to a specific year => 1969 Mustang => Topic started by: emptys on October 20, 2013, 07:05:16 PM
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I'm taking jeff's and 67gta289's advice to ask some questions about some of the simple
visible cues for a GT mustang.
I'm working on a 428 GT R code, dearborn, build date 10/11/68.
The car has had several lives, an i'm trying to forgive all those sins, but there's
some simple issues.
For example, _Mustang fender emblem or not?
According to the 'mustang recognition guide', "without any GT or Mustang emblems",
so i would think this means no _Mustang fender emblem. But i have yet to find images
of well restored GT's which don't have that very emblem. Is the guide wrong here?
This is a white car with a dark red interior. GT's should have an external stripe above
the rocker panel. I'm thinking this stripe should be red, but ii'm not seeing anything
which clearly describes which stripe for which car.
The images of the restored GT's i've seen don't seem to include blacked out hoods
for the ram air cars, but i've seen so few that i'm not sure whether this is correct or not,
should the hood be blacked out mach-1 style?
Thanks for any help!
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Best way to assure that your car is a GT is to get a Marti report. There are a fair number of cars that have been made into GT's through the years to make them different and stand out in the sea of Mach I's ;)
in 69 the GT package was very unpopular and for a fastback/sportroof didn't seem to make sense on paper IMHO
For example, _Mustang fender emblem or not?
Yes the Mustang fender emblem is original on non- Mach's and GT's
Got the MUSTANG across the trunk lid also
This is a white car with a dark red interior. GT's should have an external stripe above
the rocker panel. I'm thinking this stripe should be red, but ii'm not seeing anything
which clearly describes which stripe for which car.
There were recommended colors but the buyer (most cars were ordered and built rather than just purchased off the lot) could order any combination they wanted
The images of the restored GT's i've seen don't seem to include blacked out hoods
for the ram air cars, but i've seen so few that i'm not sure whether this is correct or not,
should the hood be blacked out mach-1 style?
The black out hood treatment was not part of the GT package . Ram air or non- ram air had nothing to do with the hood black out
The hood black out treatment would be mentioned/listed in the cars marti report and on the door tag under PAINT as a two digit paint code ending with the number "5"
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Your build date of 10/11/69 would make your Mustang a '70 ???
I'm confused, your thread topic says, "What's a '69 GT package....exactly".
Are you wanting to turn your '70 into a GT, Just asking.
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Your build date of 10/11/69 would make your Mustang a '70 ???
I'm confused, your thread topic says, "What's a '69 GT package....exactly".
Are you wanting to turn your '70 into a GT, Just asking.
His original posting stated it was built 10/11/68, so I presume the 69 here is a typo.
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Yep, my bad -- profile build date updated for build date 10/11/68
Yep, marti report and the Eminger invoice both indicate the car was a 428 GT, no other interesting options tho,
neither power brakes, nor power steering, nor AC.
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It's a rare Mustang for sure, especially with the CJ.
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Yep, my bad -- profile build date updated for build date 10/11/68
Yep, marti report and the Eminger invoice both indicate the car was a 428 GT, no other interesting options tho,
neither power brakes, nor power steering, nor AC.
What color ??
Had a Sportroof R code a few years ago. Found it in a tow yard - was abandoned on the local streets so we had to do a lean sale to get the paper work
Since it was before the Ford data base was available we had no idea if it was a GT or standard originally - allot less popular than all those Mach I's
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white with the dark red interior.
i bought the car from a friend in '95 or so, and only recently had the time to get serious about it.
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Wouldn't the 428CJ engine require the GT components? Competition handling package, etc.
I am not sure that disc brakes were part of the GT package in 1969?
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Wouldn't the 428CJ engine require the GT components? Competition handling package, etc.
I am not sure that disc brakes were part of the GT package in 1969?
The following is to the best of my knowledge, and I welcome further clarification and correction.
With the FE in 69, you would get the wrap around shock tower reinforcements, and shock, spring, and front sway bar rates/sizes commensurate with your engine choice and how it was optioned.
For example, heavier spring rates for an a/c car vs a non a/c car.
Any 69 Mustang with 428 Q or R and a 4 speed got staggered shocks, and 428 Q or R with 3.91 or 4.30 axle and C6 got a cast iron tailshaft.
Power steering and power brakes were individual options, but were a more popular choice than with Mopars that were notorious for big block power and drum brakes all around.
Most were wrecked before they had a chance to rust.
With regular 69 Mustang, GT and Mach 1, engine/transmission/axle choices determined the suspension setup, not the model.
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...................and 428 Q or R with 3.91 or 4.30 axle and C6 got a cast iron tailshaft. .........
Cast iron tail shaft was on any 428 CJ auto I believe
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yes & PI
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The Recognition Guide states that the GT Rocker Stripe does not have an emblem inside the stripe itself. Earlier year GTs had either MUSTANG lettering or a GT emblem inside the stripe on the front fender. The Mustang Script Emblem above the stripe on the front fender is still used on the 69 GT.
Is also says that stripe color depended on exterior and interior colors. White would be about the only exterior color that a Red stripe would have been used on(possibly black too?), and IMHO with red interior it would be a good guess that the stripe would have been Red.
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This is a little off topic but I am curious since your car was built a day later than mine at Dearborn if you can tell what color undercarriage primer/paint was sprayed. I have noted at least one other on this site with this unusual blue metallic color like my 69 R code has. The entire undercarriage and the side aprons had this color on it. The only red oxide I ever found was on the inside of the floor at the cowl area and the wheelhouse inside the car. I have already been questioned about this at a national show as it's not typical and maybe some restored cars from that time frame used red oxide just to avoid the controversy.
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This is a little off topic but I am curious since your car was built a day later than mine at Dearborn if you can tell what color undercarriage primer/paint was sprayed. I have noted at least one other on this site with this unusual blue metallic color like my 69 R code has. The entire undercarriage and the side aprons had this color on it. The only red oxide I ever found was on the inside of the floor at the cowl area and the wheelhouse inside the car. I have already been questioned about this at a national show as it's not typical and maybe some restored cars from that time frame used red oxide just to avoid the controversy.
(altered text after a correction ) Yes it would be interesting to see if his was the same as the pattern seen on yours. Hopefully his has evidence of the original finish either way
As for your issue - did you take pictures of what was originally found and if so take them with you to the shows to support your choice?
IF it was a MCA show always happy to help out with issues if I'm in attendance ;)
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Interesting request since his car was built 8 months before yours ;)...........
Looks like to me the dates are: emptys 10/11/68 and cobrajetchris 10/10/68????
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Looks like to me the dates are: emptys 10/11/68 and cobrajetchris 10/10/68????
I stand corrected - saw Chris's first "69 MUSTANG COUPE, DEARBORN BUILT 06/10/69 OWNED SINCE 1978" and stopped there - not noticing his Oct vbuilt car :(
Thanks
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Jeff, Yes I did take many photos and fortunately when my car was being judged I heard them talking about the undercarriage color not being correct because they thought I used the body color (silver jade) but in fact it was this metallic blue color. I try not to hover over judges when they are judging my car and I just happened to over hear this conversation and then I came over to discuss and they were fine with it but if I did not hear them talking about it or was not at the car I would have had a points deduction. This was an MCA national show.
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My R code GT coupe had a dark blue with a slight purple tint with metallic on the floor pan. I have seen this numerous times on Dearborn cars. Never exactly the same shade because it is batch paint. Mine was built 20 Dec 68. As far as judges, Well I'll just say I try not to get............never mind.
Welcome to the forum emptys. GT's are rare and cool.
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Jeff, Yes I did take many photos and fortunately when my car was being judged I heard them talking about the undercarriage color not being correct because they thought I used the body color (silver jade) but in fact it was this metallic blue color. I try not to hover over judges when they are judging my car.............
Good idea not hovering ;)
Would suggest next time (something we have tried to teach the judges to do) during the introduction they introduce themselves they should ask if there is anything different or unusual about the car that they should be made aware of offer something such as
"there has been some discussion at past shows about the color on the undercarriage. We matched the original color we found during disassembly and I have pictures that show that color if you'ld like to see the." IF they don't aask :( simply interject before judging starts - "BTW if your wondering about the color of the undercarriage ........"
This should reduce the question from their mind and the need for someone to be right and another to be wrong ;)
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This is a little off topic but I am curious since your car was built a day later than mine at Dearborn if you can tell what color undercarriage primer/paint was sprayed. I have noted at least one other on this site with this unusual blue metallic color like my 69 R code has. The entire undercarriage and the side aprons had this color on it. The only red oxide I ever found was on the inside of the floor at the cowl area and the wheelhouse inside the car. I have already been questioned about this at a national show as it's not typical and maybe some restored cars from that time frame used red oxide just to avoid the controversy.
Hi Chris,
i'm definitely interested in your car too because of the production date.
The color which we noticed before the car was stripped was an of off-white, but there was some blue tint to the color. Since
the car was originally white, it was odd that the underbody color was also white. We had to look on the passenger side to verify
that color, since the car had been in an accident near the front driver's door.
mts.
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The build date on my 69 GT is 11/06/68 and was a loaded lease to Philco Ford, Philly 9T03Q It is white with red interior. The rocker stripe is red and there is no emblem in the stripe.
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@emptys I just noticed this thread, I have a 69GT with the R code 428SCJ and C6 auto. I got a Marti report and it said 2 69GT's were built with the R code SCJ and one had a tah and the other did not. My car has a tach, do you have the one without the tach?
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That emptys guy has not logged on here in over three years, so he may not see this. Here is the info from the cobra jet registry on the number of SCJ's like your built.
1969 SCJ GT sportsroof: 110
1969 SCJ GT sportsroof with manual transmission: 59
1969 R-code SCJ GT sportsroof with manual transmission, V- or W-code axle: 50
1969 R-code SCJ GT sportsroof with automatic transmission, W-code axle: 11
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Anybody know when in spring 69 the last GT was built before ford dropped the GT option?