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1st Generation 1964 1/2 - 1973 - Questions & general discussions that apply to a specific year => 1970 Mustang => Topic started by: 70Mach on February 14, 2013, 04:08:50 PM
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Anyone have pictures of where the Dist-o-Vac module was mounted on the inside of the car? What about the bracket that is attached to the speed sensor? Was there a steel vacuum line that ran along the top of the engine from the temperature/vacuum valve in the intake manifold to the vacuum tree on the firewall? I don't have any idea since we bought the car already disassembled. 1970 351C, 4V, FMX. Thanks I don't know if any others are interested or have seen this but I thought it was a good piece of info for the Dist-O-Vac.
http://www.fordification.com/library/main.php?g2_itemId=2324
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Not a good pic but u can see it mounted on the firewall behind chrome E brake lever. Maybe someone will have a better pic!
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Anyone have pictures of where the Dist-o-Vac module was mounted on the inside of the car?
Have also seen them mounted on the cowl in the engine compartment for some reason - no don't believe I've ever taken one of that. They are color coded (color of plastic case) for identification/application. You've got the temp sender, speed that attaches along the speedo cable, control box, hard and soft vacuum hoses/tubing along the valve cover
What about the bracket that is attached to the speed sensor?
Had only found those floating - no bracket on the cars I removed them from
Was there a steel vacuum line that ran along the top of the engine from the temperature/vacuum valve in the intake manifold to the vacuum tree on the firewall? I don't have any idea since we bought the car already disassembled. 1970 351C, 4V, FMX.
Believe the vacuum source for the PVS was a soft hose - only hard tubes were to and from the modular on the cowl/firewall
Here another view. I've got maybe a dozen emissions books- often good on explaining how things work - not always the best on how everything was installed
(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/firetrainer/ConcoursMustang/aaCapture_zpsd0e2b00e.jpg)
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There is 2 steel lines that are mounted on the intake that are Vac lines . My brother has the same combo you have 70 Mach 1 3514V FMX.
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There is 2 steel lines that are mounted on the intake that are Vac lines . My brother has the same combo you have 70 Mach 1 3514V FMX.
Correct those allow the vacuum to pass through the control mod (inlet and return)
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Thanks to everyone! Found this too, differences between shaker and non-shaker and w/ a/c and w/o a/c. http://www.mustangbarn.com/vacuum.html I don't have the steel vacuum tubes, I'm guessing they won't be easy to find. Any idea if they're the same style between shaker and non-shaker? From the diagram, it looks like they could be. I bought a partial setup, but it's for a Fairlane/Montego/Ranchero 351C 4V, and didn't get any tubes. The speed sensor is the correct one (same p/n and correct electrical end) and is mounted to a bracket that's why I was asking where that was attached. Maybe it wasn't on the Mustang. The box is black, but the top is too so not correct for Mustang. They used different electrical connecters and lengths between the colors of the box tops! I can understand different lengths but different ends?! I guess one of Ford's better ideas. ::)
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The Mustangs used the control box (ECM) that had the black housing and the blue cover rather than the black/ black one you have. The speed sesors are the same
Think I have a set of tubes - not sure if they are from a 302 or 351 but will try and dig them out of the Smog boxes
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Most of the control modules that we have removed from 1970 cars have the black cover. http://www2.cougarpartscatalog.com/d0af-9e718-c.html (http://www2.cougarpartscatalog.com/d0af-9e718-c.html)
This is the information that I have posted on my online parts catalog:
D0AF-9E718-C Distributor modulator control module for 1970 Mercury Cougar and Ford Mustang with the M code 351C-4V engines and FMX or automatic transmission. The 'black box', supposed to have a blue cover. The Autolite Shop Tips guide describes this box as having a blue cover and a stamped part number of D0AF-9E718-S. The Ford MPC shows a master part number of D0AZ-9E718-C, and a box marked D0AF-9E718-C.
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This is the information that I have posted on my online parts catalog:
D0AF-9E718-C Distributor modulator control module for 1970 Mercury Cougar and Ford Mustang with the M code 351C-4V engines and FMX or automatic transmission. The 'black box', supposed to have a blue cover, but we mostly see them with a black cover from original cars. The Autolite Shop Tips guide describes this box as having a blue cover and a stamped part number of D0AF-9E718-S. The Ford MPC shows a master part number of D0AZ-9E718-C, and a box marked D0AF-9E718-C.
Which MPC would the information been taken from (possibly a 70 version)? Since later version may list only what will work (and available) rather than what was original.
Just asking ;)
BTW have the same Shop tips just not a late 70 or early 71 MPC to look the other up :(
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What about my 2 White control boxes with Blue covers?? ;) One came from a 302 2V and one from a 351W 2V. Both from 70 Mustangs and they are both Original with ink stamped date codes. From what I know they Are different for different motor combos and there were at least 4 different control modules.
I also have a set of the steel tubes from 302 here.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1970-1971-1972-1973-Mustang-Mach-1-Cougar-Xr7-DISTRIBUTOR-MODULATOR-VACUUM-TUBES-/390205977604?pt=Vintage_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&vxp=mtr&hash=item5ada16b404
Not sure if they are different between 302 and 351C.
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What about my 2 White control boxes with Blue covers?? ;) One came from a 302 2V and one from a 351W 2V. Both from 70 Mustangs and they are both Original with ink stamped date codes. From what I know they Are different for different motor combos and there were at least 4 different control modules.
I also have a set of the steel tubes from 302 here...........Not sure if they are different between 302 and 351C.
They are not correct for the application asked about here.
Did find a couple of sets for the 351C in a box today - will post a couple of pictures when I take them ;)
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Found a couple fo sets of the long vacuum tubes for the system here are a few photos of them to help the discussion along
(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/firetrainer/70%20Mustang/IMG_6230_zpsdc75e1bb.jpg)
(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/firetrainer/70%20Mustang/IMG_6231_zps22fe4b82.jpg)
(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/firetrainer/70%20Mustang/IMG_6232_zpsfaba6ca9.jpg)
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Thanks for tube pics. Are they the same for 351C 4V w/shaker vs. non-shaker and w/ a/c or w/o?
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Some pictures....
(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z213/azscj/DSCN5281_zpsdbae2a7f.jpg)
(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z213/azscj/DSCN5282_zpsb217e533.jpg)
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I am going to retract what my boss originally said about black covers on black boxes. I have blue covers on black boxes and black covers on white boxes.
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w115/CougarCJ/IMG_0538-1028_zps5129bdef.jpg)
Looks like the blue covered ones, have an ink stamped date code, with the suffix -S .
I believe that the one posted in Marcus's picture is from a 302 engine? -V ?
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Yes, the one I posted is indeed from a 302 car.
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Thanks for the close up pic. I was wondering about the black box w/ black lid that was mentioned earlier. I think the color of the lid determines which type of wiring connectors were used and which vehicles it was to be used on. From one of the dist-0-vac service manuals, Mustangs had 2 boxes available both with blue lids. And they are the only ones that used blue lids. In your pics the black box/blue lid 'S' is for the Mustang 351C 4V, the white box/blue lid 'V' is for Mustang 302 2V. And the white box/black lid 'U' is Fairlane, Montego, Ranchero 302 2V. The book never mentions 351W but may maybe the 302 ones were used for those too, I don't know.
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Any idea where I might be able to find/buy the vacuum tubes?
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Finally located a set of lines!
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Finally located a set of lines!
Congrads... were they the same as the ones I posted or different ?
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They're almost the same. The thicker of the two lines on the set I got is completely straight instead of having a bend like your pictures show. They look more like the Ford diagram page that you posted that shows the different setups for 351C 4V shaker w & w/o a/c They look like the ones for w/o a/c. The diagram for the one w/ a/c isn't as clear so it's hard to tell what that one is really like, although it does look to be fairly straight too. I'm hoping since our car has a/c that there is no difference. Any idea? I know the 302 tubes look completely different from what I have seen for sale on ebay.
The set I got was missing one of the mounting tabs so I had to make a new one. And one tube was disconnected from the other tab so I had to tack that back on.
I found them by emailing anyone that had Dist-O-Vac parts, or other parts they specifically said came off of a 1970 351C FMX Mustang, for sale on ebay and asking if they had other parts. Around the 18th inquiry is when I finally hit pay dirt!
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Anyone have a need for the speedo unit and (if I can find it) the short cable? I've had one for a while and have no use for it...gotta pay for the ride tho.
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Black on black unit from a 70 Cyclone GT 351-4V auto A/C car, located above glove box, which would be D0AZ-9E718-C according to the MPC. The cover does not have the suffix, only the "D0AF-9E718- " text string.
I've included Mercury and Ford MPC info as well.
Mercury used D0AZ-9E718-A, B, C, G, H and D1AZ-9E718-A on their car lines
Ford used D0AZ-9E718-A, B, C, G, H, and J.
Total number of variations = 7
Perhaps body and cap color combination was used to identify the application?