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1st Generation 1964 1/2 - 1973 - Questions & general discussions that apply to a specific year => 1966 Mustang => Topic started by: Twilight65 on February 27, 2012, 09:02:18 PM
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OK finally finished the 200 CI for my 66 Sprint Convertible. I took a couple of liberty's but looking for critique from the experts.
Thanks,
Dave
PS I included 1 before resto pic
(http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv8/dkcain1/th_EngineBeforeResto.jpg) (http://s664.photobucket.com/albums/vv8/dkcain1/?action=view¤t=EngineBeforeResto.jpg)
(http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv8/dkcain1/th_200enginecarb.jpg) (http://s664.photobucket.com/albums/vv8/dkcain1/?action=view¤t=200enginecarb.jpg)
(http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv8/dkcain1/th_200enginecarb1.jpg) (http://s664.photobucket.com/albums/vv8/dkcain1/?action=view¤t=200enginecarb1.jpg)
(http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv8/dkcain1/th_200enginecloseup.jpg) (http://s664.photobucket.com/albums/vv8/dkcain1/?action=view¤t=200enginecloseup.jpg)
(http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv8/dkcain1/th_200engineDriversSide.jpg) (http://s664.photobucket.com/albums/vv8/dkcain1/?action=view¤t=200engineDriversSide.jpg)
(http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv8/dkcain1/th_200enginePassengerSide.jpg) (http://s664.photobucket.com/albums/vv8/dkcain1/?action=view¤t=200enginePassengerSide.jpg)
(http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv8/dkcain1/th_200enginePVC.jpg) (http://s664.photobucket.com/albums/vv8/dkcain1/?action=view¤t=200enginePVC.jpg)
(http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv8/dkcain1/200engineFront.jpg)
(http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv8/dkcain1/200engineTop.jpg)
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I'm not a judge, but I've got to rebuild a 200ci for my 66. Hope it turns out half as good as that! Nice...
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Looks really nice, good job.
Only a few things:
-Need to dull down the vacuum and fuel lines
-Valve cover bolts should be blue, at least some of them
-Valve cover gasket edges should be blue
-Never seen that marking on a PCV hose, but I guess we have discussed before
-Never seen an ink stamp number on the bottom of an oil filter either
-Trim down the 'coil' tag on the wire
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Dave,
Great work. Charles mentioned a few minor things to correct, but a beautiful 200 with a lot of details that will definitely set your car apart.
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Now that's blue (see starter cables post) and the rest looks good. Try a couple of pictures in natural light without direct sunlight or camera flash. That might satisfy Charles observation of the fuel lines. He's correct about the valve cover bolts, gasket and filter, all blue - and be sloppy, the factory painting was done by a hungover union worker eager to go home.
Jim
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Not sure if they reproduce them but here is a shot showing the original location showing where they were applied. Basically only the adhesive remains
These were from a 51K mile 6 cylinder that was at the Washington MCA show
Email me directly - got at least one additional shot with marks for you ;)
(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/firetrainer/66%20Mustang/6R07T22381xengidlabellocationMark.jpg)
As for the oil filter with the part number - only seen two marked that way. One on a 68 and one on a 65. Can't confirm if they were original
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Dave,
That's the prettiest thing I've ever seen - and work I can only aspire to.
Amazing how much the blue color fades over the years...
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Sort-Of makes me wish my C-Code was a 6! No, Bryan didn't say that!
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Dave,
That's the prettiest thing I've ever seen - and work I can only aspire to.
Amazing how much the blue color fades over the years...
The faded blue looks almost like the blue used on a 64.5 260
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For some reason the pictures do not open on my computer but I have seen the engine in person and it is great!!!
Jack
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It's been long standing barroom chatter that many judges would build a Thoroughbred 6 cyl car one day. Although, I don't think it would be any easier than a V8 car. There's so many details to consider. Think it was discussed once that there are many more differences between an I6 and V8 car than between a K code and C/A code car.
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Very Nice! Being a 6 cylinder owner, I'm glad to see one detailed so nice!
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Say Dave,
I don't see it in your pictures, but I know you and I talked about it; did you ever find the plastic spacer that goes between the carb and air cleaner?
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Say Dave,
I don't see it in your pictures, but I know you and I talked about it; did you ever find the plastic spacer that goes between the carb and air cleaner?
Hey Pete,
Haven't found one yet. I have called a lot of places and also quite a few carburetor repair shops also with no luck. But I haven't given up yet.
Dave
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I just wanted to thank everyone for the comments and support. Along with what Charles was saying, this hasn't been easy as parts and information for a 6 cylinder are hard to come by. I want this car to be as correct as possible. I got lucky as this car had so much orignal tags and markings on it. The transmission is done also so I will post pictures soon. I just got the car back from the sheetmetal shop and its off to the body shop now. Those NOS red oxide quarters set me back a little but man they fit great. Won't be a Thoroughbred but as close to original to what I can afford.
Thanks Again,
Dave
(http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv8/dkcain1/SDC10921.jpg)
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Dave,
If you don't have any success locating one, let me know. You're a pretty resourceful guy. You can borrow mine and perhaps make a mold and casting?
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A bit off topic but I noticed the sand blaster in the back of the garage, (I have the same unit). Do you collect the sand somehow? If so, would you mind sharing how? Thanks for the info and again, very nice looking I6...
Allen
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It looks like Dave has an Eastwood cabinet stuck in the back. I use a cabinet sold by TP Tools www.tptools.com and they have a vacuum attachment for used media, about $300 for their VAC 40 model. I prefer glass beads as a blasting media, TP Tools Scat Magic, as it is about as abrasive as you can get legally. I've used it to cut notches in glass for clearance. For a less abrasive finish I lower the air pressure. Glass beads are some nasty abrasive and the equipment shows the wear, I put in my second replacement blower last week after about 15 total years of use. The used media collects in the bottom and you need to empty it out. I was not paying attention and I have about 8 gallons to get rid of. My last batch of blasting was a lot of around 110 items of hardware plus a couple of 66 filler pipes that went to my plater on Monday for clear zinc plating. I have a second lot of clear zinc to do and a lot of gold zinc pending.
We now return you to the original post.
Jim
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Terrific looking engine...I do have a question though...At what point back in the day was the exhaust manifold placed on the car? I can see why the top would have blue on it when spraying the valve cover but why wouldn't the bottom have blue on it as well when spaying the actual block or was the block already painted at that point? Just something I was wondering...
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It's been long standing barroom chatter that many judges would build a Thoroughbred 6 cyl car one day. Although, I don't think it would be any easier than a V8 car. There's so many details to consider. Think it was discussed once that there are many more differences between an I6 and V8 car than between a K code and C/A code car.
One thing the Jeff stressed in one of his seminars (a long time ago in a Galaxy far, far away) was the more items on a car, the more items that are judged and the more potential for points deduction. Putting it another way, a "Plain Jane" I-6 has a better chance for a top score than a fully loaded 428SCJ Mach I.
Jim
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-What a GREAT looking engine!! Keep up the good work!!
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Looks good any indication that the alt fan pulley was blue and also the engine is missing the exhaust hanger bolted to the block
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The original alternator had been replaced. Was the exhaust hanger bolt part of the clamp that went around the exhaust?
Dave
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Killer looking engine, can't wait to see it back in the engine bay...
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Looks good any indication that the alt fan pulley was blue ..........
Think that would be a reach unless we had other examples around the same time. Seems like its about 10,000 to one chance especially given its a 66 and San Jose car
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One thing the Jeff stressed in one of his seminars (a long time ago in a Galaxy far, far away) was the more items on a car, the more items that are judged and the more potential for points deduction. Putting it another way, a "Plain Jane" I-6 has a better chance for a top score than a fully loaded 428SCJ Mach I.
Jim
I couldn't agree more with that statement. I am restoring a highly optioned 42CJ ram air, with a/c p/b p/s and all the emissions to boot. It's breaking the bank getting this car together. It is amazing how many different parts are needed to put this car back correct and not the easiest engine to work on. I have to admit the only thing I am jealous of the old camaros are the subframe and the integral power steering as this is a much better design in my opinion. CHRIS
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engine is missing the exhaust hanger bolted to the block
OK I didn't have this hanger but found one @ Millers Obselete and the clamp @ Ford NOS. I reviewed pics I've taken over the last couple of years from shows and looks correct (though it may be upside down?). I'm just wandering about the clamp as the MPC call for Part# A9AA-5A231-A. I purchased the part but package looks like its earlier than the car. Would the same part number evolved over the years without changing the suffix letter? Does anyone know what the correct clamp should look like?
Thanks,
Dave
(http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv8/dkcain1/ExhaustClamp.jpg)
(http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv8/dkcain1/a9aa5a231a.jpg)
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I have a original one or two laying around. Marty
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Dave,
My engine still has the part that's bolted to the block. It looks similar to yours, but hard to tell as it's behind the exhaust pipe. The orientation is correct. Mine is currently blue, but a PO might have done that when the engine was repainted many years ago.
My clamp is missing, so I can't help with that. Maybe this accounts for why the front engine boss that the exhaust manifold was bolted to was broken on my car. Too much movement of the exhaust pipe. I had to reconstruct the boss out of J-B Weld. It looks pretty good. And seems to be holding up just fine. Hard to tell it was even repaired.
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I have a original one or two laying around. Marty
Marty, Can you post a picture.
Thanks,
Dave
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I am not sure about 65-66 but 67-68 only used this exhaust mount on manual transmissions only. Here is what I have. Marty
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Dave did replate your air cleaner? Or did you find a new one? I am doing a 67 6cil sprint convertible and the air cleaner was not there. The only repro I have found is painted. Marty
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Dave did replate your air cleaner? Or did you find a new one? I am doing a 67 6cil sprint convertible and the air cleaner was not there. The only repro I have found is painted. Marty
Marty, I had the original air cleaner rechromed (Qual Krom), also the clamp you have in your picture doesn't look too far off from the NOS one I purchased. Interesting about the clamp only on a manual transmission. I'll have to look into it. Thanks
Dave
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I am not sure about 65-66 but 67-68 only used this exhaust mount on manual transmissions only. Here is what I have. Marty
OK was looking through MPC and 1967 calls for two different types of brackets/clamps depending on whether it was an A/T or M/T. 1966 did not differentiate to the type of transmission.
Dave
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That is interesting, I have never seen one on a automatic. Just about every manual car has one. Marty
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That is interesting, I have never seen one on a automatic. Just about every manual car has one. Marty
Had the bracket on my automatic. Cant really see a difference between mine and the one you posted. The clamp was changed a long time ago so no idea what that looked like. I know there was 1.75" and 2" exhaust in 67 I believe this was partly related to the trans type so maybe the brackets and clamps were different for a different size exhaust.
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I think Marty's right Dave - No bracket on my Automatic Engine either, and my car is pretty original, though I know the exhaust is definately not. None of my other Automatic '66 I6's had the bracket either. It might just be a "standard" tranny thing.
A few questions.. How much did Qual Krom charge you for the aircleaner re-chrome. I need this done on mine.
Also, Do you still have the original 1966 Fuel Pump? I see that it is missing. I see a '67 and later "sealed" fuel pump is in there. I don't think MCA deducts any points for the later fuel pump though since its considered a safety issue I think. I was just wondering if you still had the original 1966 diaphragm Fuel Pump. I still have mine, but I removed it and it's in a box on the shelf. I use the '67 and later "sealed" pump like you do for reliable driving. You don't see the 1966 diaphragm fuel pump too often since it was pretty much a 1 year only deal, though some early '67's may have had them.
Tony K.
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PS: Oh Yeah, Almost forgot, Nice job on the engine!!! I will redo my engine this following year!! I am still dealing with interior work that is ongoing...but that's about it.
Tony K.