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1st Generation 1964 1/2 - 1973 - Questions & general discussions that apply to a specific year => 1964 1/2 - 1965 => Topic started by: jtfx6552 on October 26, 2011, 10:11:19 PM
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Anyone have some pictures of the undercoating/sound deadener, inside the trunk on an early 65 model year dearborn car? Mine is date code 29K (Oct'64).
I'd love to see some pictures of what it looked like in there.
Also pictures of the seam sealer around the taillight panel and bumper supports would be helpful as well.
JT
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If you give me until next week I have a Sept 28 Fastback I can post some pictures. The tunk has not been restored.
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Here is one example from around that time period. Body style IMHO should not make a great difference
Did highlight the pattern on a couple of pictures to help out - at least where it looks to travel to me ;)
Not a well defined sound deadener pattern on the quarters and the seam sealer allot thinner and neater that other periods and plants
Hope this helps
Quarter panel
(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/firetrainer/65%20Mustangs/5F07T347562DStrnk.jpg)
Taillight panel to lower rear panel
(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/firetrainer/65%20Mustangs/5F07T347562trnk4.jpg)
(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/firetrainer/65%20Mustangs/5F07T347562trnk4hl.jpg)
Taillight panel and bumper support
(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/firetrainer/65%20Mustangs/5F07T347562trnk5.jpg)
(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/firetrainer/65%20Mustangs/5F07T347562trnk5hl.jpg)
Rear wheel tubs to floor
(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/firetrainer/65%20Mustangs/5F07T347562trnk3.jpg)
(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/firetrainer/65%20Mustangs/5F07T347562trnk3hl.jpg)
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If you give me until next week I have a Sept 28 Fastback I can post some pictures. The tunk has not been restored.
Sounds good, looking forward to it.
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Here is one example from around that time period. Body style IMHO should not make a great difference
Did highlight the pattern on a couple of pictures to help out - at least where it looks to travel to me ;)
Not a well defined sound deadener pattern on the quarters and the seam sealer allot thinner and neater that other periods and plants
Hope this helps
Quarter panel
(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/firetrainer/65%20Mustangs/5F07T347562DStrnk.jpg)
Taillight panel to lower rear panel
(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/firetrainer/65%20Mustangs/5F07T347562trnk4.jpg)
(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/firetrainer/65%20Mustangs/5F07T347562trnk4hl.jpg)
Taillight panel and bumper support
(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/firetrainer/65%20Mustangs/5F07T347562trnk5.jpg)
(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/firetrainer/65%20Mustangs/5F07T347562trnk5hl.jpg)
Rear wheel tubs to floor
(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/firetrainer/65%20Mustangs/5F07T347562trnk3.jpg)
(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/firetrainer/65%20Mustangs/5F07T347562trnk3hl.jpg)
Thanks!
The hightlighting is nice as it is hard to see. Can you tell n the 1/4s, does the edge of the undercoating stop before it gets to the outer wheel house? Is there any undercoating overspray on the outer wheelhouse?
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Thanks!
The hightlighting is nice as it is hard to see. Can you tell n the 1/4s, does the edge of the undercoating stop before it gets to the outer wheel house? Is there any undercoating overspray on the outer wheelhouse?
Sound deadener stops (typically and on the example) before the wheel house and no overspray on the wheel house
The sound deadener normally does not produce much of an overspray like paint did - its at allot heavier and normally applied just abut 90 degree to the surface in this application
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Don't know if this is typical but it appears sound deadener was sprayed between the fender and wheelhouse with a bit of deadener on both.
65 Dearborn April 19th build date
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-2syZQQi4-yk/TrB5CQyf3DI/AAAAAAAADDs/2DjUZGnD1eU/s640/2009-07-28_4.JPG)
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Same car and there are some runs in the paint of the outer wheelhouse. Possibly from when the wheelhouse was painted?
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-V_xl89NWmnE/TrB6JcGiBKI/AAAAAAAADDw/cqZlFnjhOho/s640/2009-07-28_32.JPG)
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Same car and there are some runs in the paint of the outer wheelhouse. Possibly from when the wheelhouse was painted?
Those runs are pretty typical at at least a couple of plants. Never cut through them (should) to see if that is a primer run or a paint run which would give us an idea of when that was done and why it happened.
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Those runs are pretty typical at at least a couple of plants. Never cut through them (should) to see if that is a primer run or a paint run which would give us an idea of when that was done and why it happened.
I'll get on that tomorrow. ;) From what I could tell it appeared to be a black paint run but I'll pull one off and cut through it to confirm.
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I'll get on that tomorrow. ;) From what I could tell it appeared to be a black paint run but I'll pull one off and cut through it to confirm.
If its in the paint (my guess also) then I would guess that we are looking at the body being tilted after the body was sprayed, as it moved from station to station (or to or in the ovens)
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Paint runs on the DS too. Think these paint runs had to come from the trunk area being painted? The must have been pretty heavy on the paint on this car as there are other runs on it too.
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-2syZQQi4-yk/TrB5CQyf3DI/AAAAAAAADD4/hX_7otVCc-k/s640/2009-07-28_4.JPG)
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Those runs are pretty typical at at least a couple of plants. Never cut through them (should) to see if that is a primer run or a paint run which would give us an idea of when that was done and why it happened.
I was wrong about my guess that it was a paint run....ends up it's a primer run with a thin coat of black over it.
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Those runs, when present, are typically coming from the bottom up... which means the car was turned up somehow during part of the priming process.
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Here is a picture of the inside of the trunk of a pre-production Mustang VIN #4, build date code 5C. I can't vouch for the originality of the sound deadener but I do know the quarter is original to the car so I would assume the sound deadener is original as well.
(http://i870.photobucket.com/albums/ab270/bertram65/july2009142.jpg)
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I've been working on this car for 10+ years, so I have forgotten a lot on the way. I was looking at the few pictures I had, and wondering why I took so few. Then I remembered...I had taken video footage while I was taking it apart.
I found the videos today, and loaded them into the computer. The main focus of the video footage, in retrospect was all wrong. I mostly was narrating what went where, and what order I should, put it back together. i wasn't really documenting the sound deadener, seam sealer, and colors. By accident I did catch some of the details.
Here is the inside the trunk by the wheel house. This car appears to have no deadener on the outside of the wear house, at least not in the trunk.
(http://i676.photobucket.com/albums/vv130/jtfx6552/MustangResto.jpg)
I was documenting where the wiring went, and panned back towards the taillight panel for this shot on the DS:
(http://i676.photobucket.com/albums/vv130/jtfx6552/Still2DS.jpg)
Kind of an odd skip there in the deadener, not sure what that is about...
Based on what I was seeing here, noting the gap between the wheel house and the deadener, it looked like it may have been sprayed before the 1/4 was installed, a la the weld and sealant manual.
(http://i676.photobucket.com/albums/vv130/jtfx6552/PSintrunk.jpg)
(http://i676.photobucket.com/albums/vv130/jtfx6552/psintrunk2.jpg)
On the PS, note the clean line at the rear, not like the drivers side that had some back near the 1/4 extension bolt holes:
(http://i676.photobucket.com/albums/vv130/jtfx6552/PStrunkrearline.jpg)
I then had some shots documenting the wiring at the courtesy lights. This showed, at leas on the PS side, a lot of deadener on the wheelhouse:
(http://i676.photobucket.com/albums/vv130/jtfx6552/Still4FrontPS.jpg)
(http://i676.photobucket.com/albums/vv130/jtfx6552/Still5FrontPS.jpg)
The drivers side didn't have any on the wheelhouse:
(http://i676.photobucket.com/albums/vv130/jtfx6552/DSFront1.jpg)
Note the goop at the bumper brackets, this car did not have the "raised bead" on the trunk floor around the brackets...
(http://i676.photobucket.com/albums/vv130/jtfx6552/trunkbracketgoop2.jpg)
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Just noticed this picture of a 66 Dearborn car posted by Charles has the same type of paint runs.
Have a Feb '66 Dearborn car for reference, Unrestored, it has the long ones:
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If its in the paint (my guess also) then I would guess that we are looking at the body being tilted after the body was sprayed, as it moved from station to station (or to or in the ovens)
Those runs, when present, are typically coming from the bottom up... which means the car was turned up somehow during part of the priming process.
Could it be the wheelhouses were primed before being installed? I noticed in the 1959 GM assembly line photos, 1/2 of the wheelhouse was primed before welding together. Could be a clue?
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Could it be the wheelhouses were primed before being installed?................
Possible but don't think that was the case - especially with the runs (we don't see runs in any of the other panels that were primered before). Guess we need to sand or cut through a few of these we see if the runs are primer or pain ;)
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Seemed like a plausible explanation based on the pictures of the 59 GM wheelhouses, especially the ones showing primer slopped everywhere. ;)
Of course that's a GM line in 1959 so no way can you draw a conclusion from that.
I cut through the paint runs on my 65 and they were primer.
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I'm trying to find the correct alignment and positioning for the housewheel middle lip (joint between outer and inner housewheel) and trunk floor. It seems to be a little bit higher (1/4") and floor trunk 90? angle down on center housewheel lip but aligned on the inner house wheel side joint.
Not easy to explain but if you have some photo's showing trunk floor 90? down and housewheel center line joint alignment and offset from one to other I will appreciate.
Thanks in advance