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1st Generation 1964 1/2 - 1973 - Questions & general discussions that apply to a specific year => 1967 Mustang => Topic started by: 67gtasanjose on March 30, 2020, 09:44:03 AM
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What finish are 67 seat track plates.
I used to think these were black paint but now unsure.
Also, I have 8 of them but 'me thinks' only the front 4 had them from factory.
Assy. manual doesn't even look to show them used
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+1. I also thought they were black for 67, and would like to be educated. I got most of the fiberglass panels installed in the back yesterday...woo hoo.
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There were supposed to be 4 used per seat.
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How about 67 seat track plates.
Assy. manual doesn't even look show them used
The 67 (and 68) Interior Assembly Manual does not show the plates used on the seat installation pages. The 60-68 MPC "implies" the use (C5ZZ-6513190-A) from 66 on as "66/". It also indicates they are not used on bench seats. The title is "Retainer - Front Floor Mat To Seat Track".
Now, back to the real world.
Jim
Note: The plate/retainer is not listed in the 75 edition of the MPC.
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How about 67 seat track plates.
I used to think these were black paint but now unsure.
Also, I have 8 of them but 'me thinks' only the front 4 had them from factory.
Assy. manual doesn't even look show them used
The seat track plates on 65 - earlier 67 are typically black chromate . The later 67 ones that are part of the seat track are PO .
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FYI Black chromate is the same process and same visual characteristics as zinc dichromate but instead of gold it is black.
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The seat track plates on 65 - earlier 67 are black chromate . The later 67 ones that are part of the seat track are PO .
That might explain why they went into the soup "black and rust" colored but came out bare steel.
Looks like extra black phosphate & oil is my only easier choice.
Now, do I use all 8? I seem to recall adding the ones into the rear location but could be wrong.
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You guys will notice that I split this discussion from the other much older 65/66 discussion. ;)
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First Attachment from 1960-68 MPC supports the "8" per vehicle, but only on Fastbacks.
The second Attachment, from the 19678 Only MPC, again shows Fastbacks only, but 8 per seat ??
Hmmm - something doesn't "sit right".
Bob
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That might explain why they went into the soup "black and rust" colored but came out bare steel.
Looks like extra black phosphate & oil is my only easier choice.
Now, do I use all 8? I seem to recall adding the ones into the rear location but could be wrong.
Not your only choice. I have some black chromate dip solution that I have yet to try out. If you send them to me already cleaned I will give them a dip N/C. Just pay for postage .PM me if interested.
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Not your only choice. I have some black chromate dip solution that I have yet to try out. If you send them to me already cleaned I will give them a dip N/C. Just pay for postage .PM me if interested.
I can do that. I believe I have your address, will check for it.
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My plater can do black oxide and black zinc. Would either of those look reasonable? I realize that term is not measurable 8)
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My plater can do black oxide and black zinc. Would either of those look reasonable? I realize that term is not measurable 8)
Black zinc is another name for black chromate just like gold zinc is another name for zinc dichromate.
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Do have 67 San Jose examples in the dark goldish finish like we find on some 65-66 San Jose cars. Again may be a multiple supplier issue/difference
Here is one example where with lighting you can see the goldish tint. Think the picture or a similar has been posted in the past
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/13/6-300320195631.jpeg)
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Do have 67 San Jose examples in the dark goldish finish like we find on some 65-66 San Jose cars. Again may be a multiple supplier issue/difference
Here is one example where with lighting you can see the goldish tint. Think the picture or a similar has been posted in the past
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/13/6-300320195631.jpeg)
Like the Gold zinc that has the different rainbow hues but is predominantly gold ,the black zinc has the same effect but predominantly black.
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Let me make sure I'm in the 67 section.
Yep, got it.
All 8 of my 67s are that color.
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Here is the best that my plater can do. Kind of hard to get a picture so I included a painted black piece in the background.
It is a multi-step process and includes silver. Maybe he told me that to take some sting out of the price lol
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In the MPC I see C5ZZ-6513190-A as the part number. Described as Retainer - Front Floor Mat to Seat Track
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In the MPC I see C5ZZ-6513190-A as the part number. Described as Retainer - Front Floor Mat to Seat Track
Given the 67 year being discussed for clarification the illustration shows the early 67 seat track. The later 67 seat track has the plates incorporated into the track.
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In the MPC I see C5ZZ-6513190-A as the part number. Described as Retainer - Front Floor Mat to Seat Track
Guess that think narrow plate with no part number is suppose to represent the floor pan. Can see where that confused some people over the years
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The illustration is not of a Mustang. The MPC illustration area does not include pictures of every car. The intent is to identify the basic part number. Once you have that you go to the text area which should list everything serviced. I should have mentioned that. In this case I think it was the 1960 Ford illustration.
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Updated the 67 Running Changes thread to include the seat track change.
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There are four on my early 67 car. I used a product for model railroads to blacken metal. It's not messy and you can just brush it on or I usually put it in a plastic contaner with a lid. It's very close to black phosphate finish.
http://www.swannysmodels.com/Blackenit.html
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Can't seem to find where this can be purchased. Are you sure it's still available ?
Any help ?
Bob
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Jax Chemicals made my original product.
You can buy it from Amazon. Here is the link.
https://www.amazon.com/Jax-Iron-Steel-Blackener-Oz/dp/B00KI21EFK/ref=sr_1_6?dchild=1&hvadid=77859221295499&hvbmt=be&hvdev=c&hvqmt=e&keywords=jax+chemicals&qid=1593269830&sr=8-6&tag=mh0b-20
That is the same thing as Eastwoods Quick Black product. It is sold under various names. It produces the same kind of look that gun bluing does. It is a fair compromise and better then black paint IMO but it does not closely reproduce the look of the factory Black Chromate.
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Jeff showed a pic earlier with a gold tint. I thought we were leaning more towards that as either the correct color or that the gold tint was a base for a darker color on top.
I can't be sure this came from my 67 car or my 66 car. But the color is clear.
Note that the degraded version has a gold spot where it would contact the carpet.
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Not sure if we have variations based on different suppliers (we might want to look for markings in the metal) or if it's different in the plating between batches. DO see this same finish back in to at least 66 San Jose production.
As for the two different styles or versions of the track and plates I think I've got the change over down to a week or so at San Jose but as mentioned will start a new thread focused on the running change so that others can submit their data points before releasing the results of the study