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Title: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Fastback Rear Seat Trap Door
Post by: bullitt68 on September 27, 2019, 04:03:30 AM
Just curious of these holes were drilled at the factory or after the fact. I am not sure if this is original paint or not and the holes look pretty hack, so I suspect that they were added after the fact. I would just like to confirm as I will be media blasting the door and will weld them up t=if they don't belong there. I am trying to figure out why the would have beed drilled in the first place.

Thanks
Title: Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Fastback Rear Seat Trap Door
Post by: J_Speegle on September 27, 2019, 04:41:33 AM
Did your trim strip have matching holes through them also?
Title: Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Fastback Rear Seat Trap Door
Post by: bullitt68 on September 27, 2019, 12:15:37 PM
Did your trim strip have matching holes through them also?

Probably I will check my photo archives. I figured they were drilled after the fact however and should not be there. Could they have drilled it at the factory like that?
Title: Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Fastback Rear Seat Trap Door
Post by: J_Speegle on September 27, 2019, 02:16:42 PM
Don't believe they are original Just looking for confirmation based on other evidence since we can't be there in person. Have seen some owners attach the rear door (would not open) in this manner when they added a fold down and trap door to a non-fold down car and didn't get the hinges (left on other car) or they tried to eliminate squeaks and rattles
Title: Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Fastback Rear Seat Trap Door
Post by: bullitt68 on September 27, 2019, 03:26:46 PM
Don't believe they are original Just looking for confirmation based on other evidence since we can't be there in person. Have seen some owners attach the rear door (would not open) in this manner when they added a fold down and trap door to a non-fold down car and didn't get the hinges (left on other car) or they tried to eliminate squeaks and rattles

From what I recall and can confirm when I review the photos, I believe that the trim was riveted through those holes.
Title: Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Fastback Rear Seat Trap Door
Post by: bullitt68 on September 27, 2019, 03:39:17 PM
Don't believe they are original Just looking for confirmation based on other evidence since we can't be there in person. Have seen some owners attach the rear door (would not open) in this manner when they added a fold down and trap door to a non-fold down car and didn't get the hinges (left on other car) or they tried to eliminate squeaks and rattles

Hi Jeff I think this photo shows the trim attached to the trap door or am I mistaken and the trim is attached to the upper panel. I thought I had taken better photos, but perhaps not. Now I am not sure what the holes were for. From what I recall on my car some of the trim was attached with what looked like factory screws and some were attached with rivets. Not sure what would be factory at this point assuming that someone has done some form of a restoration on the car and now surer what was changed or left alone.
Title: Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Fastback Rear Seat Trap Door
Post by: J_Speegle on September 27, 2019, 05:33:15 PM
Well typically you would have the prepunched and designed holes for the 67 trim clips (larger holes) then the holes for the 68 upper edge trim that would have been drilled/formed.

Don't have a close up of a 68 fold down trap door edge to compare. Would suggest you find the trim strip and figure out which holes you need for your particular trim strip and go from there.
Title: Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Fastback Rear Seat Trap Door
Post by: Coralsnake on September 27, 2019, 05:59:32 PM
Not sure about the trap door, but your seat release levers are upside down. They should point upward.  ;)
Title: Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Fastback Rear Seat Trap Door
Post by: bullitt68 on September 28, 2019, 12:45:22 AM
Well typically you would have the prepunched and designed holes for the 67 trim clips (larger holes) then the holes for the 68 upper edge trim that would have been drilled/formed.

Don't have a close up of a 68 fold down trap door edge to compare. Would suggest you find the trim strip and figure out which holes you need for your particular trim strip and go from there.

Thanks Jeff will do.
Title: Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Fastback Rear Seat Trap Door
Post by: bullitt68 on September 28, 2019, 12:46:53 AM
Not sure about the trap door, but your seat release levers are upside down. They should point upward.  ;)

Thanks for that. There seemed to be a bunch of things that were done incorrectly when they did the restoration on this car, which is another reason I am double checking everything and not assuming that everything is correct on this car.
Title: Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Fastback Rear Seat Trap Door
Post by: bullitt68 on September 28, 2019, 12:48:18 AM
Not sure about the trap door, but your seat release levers are upside down. They should point upward.  ;)

Are you referring to the front seats?
Title: Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Fastback Rear Seat Trap Door
Post by: J_Speegle on September 28, 2019, 04:20:51 AM
Are you referring to the front seats?

Yes he is

Number of picture of that detail and others in the threads titled As well as others posted on the site

Late 68 San Jose C Code Coupe - Unrestored Picture Thread
    
Jan? 68 San Jose C code bench seat coupe - Unrestored Picture Thread
Title: Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Fastback Rear Seat Trap Door
Post by: ruppstang on September 28, 2019, 09:42:31 AM
If I were to guess why the extra holes were there I would say they could not find the correct mounting clips and used screws to hold the trim piece. If you find the trim strip has holes that would confirm it.
Title: Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Fastback Rear Seat Trap Door
Post by: bullitt68 on September 28, 2019, 11:29:21 AM
I will did out my trim and confirm. Hopefully that will solve the mystery
Title: Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Fastback Rear Seat Trap Door
Post by: bullitt68 on September 28, 2019, 11:30:00 AM
Yes he is

Number of picture of that detail and others in the threads titled As well as others posted on the site

Late 68 San Jose C Code Coupe - Unrestored Picture Thread
    
Jan? 68 San Jose C code bench seat coupe - Unrestored Picture Thread

Thanks for the reference Jeff I will take a look
Title: Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Fastback Rear Seat Trap Door
Post by: J_Speegle on September 28, 2019, 02:46:24 PM
If I were to guess why the extra holes were there I would say they could not find the correct mounting clips and used screws to hold the trim piece. If you find the trim strip has holes that would confirm it.

Think you'll find that the strip was originally retained to the trap door with screws.  The large hole usage and clips, I think you'll find, is found on  67's

(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/12/6-280919134340.jpeg)

The 67 fastback trim sure looked neater without the screws and holes


Example from one of the unrestored picture threads

(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/11/6-030219170608.jpeg)

Title: Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Fastback Rear Seat Trap Door
Post by: bullitt68 on September 28, 2019, 03:15:12 PM
Think you'll find that the strip was originally retained to the trap door with screws.  The large hole usage and clips, I think you'll find, is found on  67's ......

Thanks for the great photos. I was not having much luck with searching myself
Title: Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Fastback Rear Seat Trap Door
Post by: J_Speegle on September 28, 2019, 05:19:34 PM
Have hundreds if not over a thousand 68 examples just have to take the time to go through and find decent pictures showing particular details

The only question it seems is why the second set of screw holes and if the trim has one hole (three total) per location or more.
Title: Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Fastback Rear Seat Trap Door
Post by: bullitt68 on September 28, 2019, 05:24:48 PM
Have hundreds if not over a thousand 68 examples just have to take the time to go through and find decent pictures showing particular details

The only question it seems is why the second set of screw holes and if the trim has one hole (three total) per location or more.

I will keep searching and hopefully have better luck. Once I pull out my trim I will compare to the door holes and see what the story is
Title: Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Fastback Rear Seat Trap Door
Post by: J_Speegle on September 28, 2019, 10:50:35 PM
Discussion of style of attachment and when it changed was split and moved to a new thread so a focus could be given to that while not taking this thread a bit off focus. Members and long term lurkers sill realize that often new discovers or discussions come up during other discussions

http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=21120.0  (http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=21120.0)