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1st Generation 1964 1/2 - 1973 - Questions & general discussions that apply to a specific year => 1967 Mustang => Topic started by: Captain Kent on February 16, 2019, 07:13:06 AM
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Were there paint stripes on a 67 Mustang 6 Cylinder 3 speed Drive shaft produced in Dearborn?
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IMHO there were stripes on all drive shafts. That was how Ford workers identified them.
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What would be the stripes for this particular Mustang?
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What would be the stripes for this particular Mustang?
When was your car built? Unfortunately buildsheets that year don't include the stripe information. Maybe I'll ahve some documentation or pictures. will take a look
You will find it comes in handy to add your cars details to your signatures like many others here have. Keeps you from having to add it to many of your posts when you ask questions because someone is going to ask ;)
BTW welcome to the site - hope you find the support and information here helpful in your concours related efforts.
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I’ll add to my profile when I figure it out. Thx. My 67 Coupe is a Lone Star Special edition. Produced in early 67. I think March at Dearborn. 6 cyl 3 Spd. I’ve owned for 45 years.
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I’ll add to my profile when I figure it out. Thx. My 67 Coupe is a Lone Star Special edition. Produced in early 67. I think March at Dearborn. 6 cyl 3 Spd. I’ve owned for 45 years.
Cool!
I didn't know of anyone else who has kept a 67 Coupe longer than I have (who did not buy it 'new').
Your Coupe sounds like a nice example of one of the Springtime Promotions Ford liked to do back in the day.
Do you have any pictures of any unique aspects of the Lone Star edition
Mustang Monthly did a piece a while back: http://www.mustangandfords.com/featured-vehicles/mump-0504-1967-ford-mustang-hardtop-lone-star-limited-restoration/
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Yeah mine was in Mustang Monthly also http://www.mustangandfords.com/featured-vehicles/1409-1967-ford-mustang-hardtop-rare-finds/ This was September 2014.
Mine is one of just a few maybe only 2 that we can find with the 200 6 cyl 3 spd eft. The cars had a sprint package and I still have the chrome air cleaner. Hope to drive it by June and have it at the Mustang Shelby meet in Tulsa.
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My apologies for derailing the thread, the "Lone Star" reference peaked my curiosity. I do hope, like Jeff mentioned, that you and your son continue to source information to help you with the best decisions possible to achieve your desired results (such as your requested driveshaft markings).
Perhaps, if you choose to, begin a Member's Build/Restoration thread on your unique car. I would thoroughly enjoy watching and participating with your progress as you seek out the finer details of your car.
For the last +40 years, the one common thing I always heard when (even myself) discovered that "Oh, it's ONLY a Coupe", that the nay-Sayers always said "It's not worth anything, so why bother". Well, for me (and it sounds like also for you and your twin brother), it was my "FIRST Car" and for my first car, I wanted something I could enjoy driving for a season and then to one day restore it to it's original glory of "new", in my later years, to after enjoying it again for another season in retirement, to hand down as a legacy of sorts to my offspring. For ME anyways, that makes it worth it to hunt down such details to restore my "It's ONLY a Coupe" car. My project being a mere "labor of love" for all of these now 41-years.
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This car is very special for a lot of reasons. I want it to be a driver, although limited, not just a trailered car. That being said if I can make it as close to original as I can, leaving some patina I will do that. Case in point I had the original radio overhauled just last week even though AM stations are few and far between. The car is now 85% complete and I hope to drive it this summer.
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Here is a pic I found on line. I’m sure it’s not right for my car though.
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I'm no expert, but painted ends of the driveshaft doesn't look right to me. And I believe there should only be one set of three stripes on driveshafts, at least for V8's.
Again, I'm no expert, but I understand the driveshafts were cut from a single tube such that there were 3 sections. Paint stripes were at both ends of the long tube (manufacturer-placed), so that out of every three driveshafts, one would not have paint. Is this not correct?
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I would soak you drive shaft in Evaporust and look for the paint marks
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I did something similar and couldn’t see stripe. Just had it balanced and stripped. It looks really good, but wanted to do the stripes if that’s correct.
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I'm no expert, but painted ends of the driveshaft doesn't look right to me. And I believe there should only be one set of three stripes on driveshafts, at least for V8's.
On some years and applications the yokes were painted to make identification quicker for the worker to assemble the drivelines. You see the orange on some later (then 65-66) applications. Paint was applied before they were welded to the tube or tubes so you should see the affects of that process. Number of stripes, as far as I've seen, differed depending on year and application. Even changed sometimes during the production year.
Again, I'm no expert, but I understand the driveshafts were cut from a single tube such that there were 3 sections. Paint stripes were at both ends of the long tube (manufacturer-placed), so that out of every three driveshafts, one would not have paint. Is this not correct?
Stripes were added after the tubes were cut and the drivelines finished the stenciled number and letters found on early (65-66) drivelines was used to identify the tube as delivered from the supplier according to people I've talked to that worked at one the plants.
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Here is a pic I found on line. I’m sure it’s not right for my car though.
As mentioned earlier the buildsheets don't list the colors applied to the drivelines. I looked through my collection and notes and can't offer any help with your specific (67 6 cylinder 3 speed) application
I'm sure you already realize that the 6 cylinders suffer from not enough research and documentation in past years making your task just a little more difficult that some other owners. Add that to the fake that you have a 67 - likely the year with the most running changes in production, practices and parts. There are a few unrestored examples in Unrestored picture section of the site. Have a few more examples by not a ton. Sure as you get comfortable here you will notice a few details you've already chosen for your car that you may choose to redo, make more like original or just choose to leave as is. But those can be discussed in another thread or in your Build thread if you choose to make one.
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It sounds like there is a possibility that there may not have been stripes at all. When we started this restoration about 4 years ago I didn’t know it was a LoneStar. My thought was to put a 289 in it. When we found out about the car we decided to go back original. The 6cyl is of course tougher and fewer were made of this edition. I think there may be only 2 known to remain
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It sounds like there is a possibility that there may not have been stripes at all...
Have to disagree workers at the plant had to have some form of identification at the station where the body dropped down onto the section where the exhaust, driveline rear end were waiting. Stripes were the way they identified them. Good thing is that they are easier to add the marks later once you find the right ones as you can spin the driveline while holding the brush to the driveline where you want them. Allot easier than trying to get that all done on the bench or the garage floor ::)
Yes there is a thread already on those subjects ;)
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Have to disagree workers at the plant had to have some form of identification at the station where the body dropped down onto the section where the exhaust, driveline rear end were waiting. Stripes were the way they identified them. Good thing is that they are easier to add the marks later once you find the right ones as you can spin the driveline while holding the brush to the driveline where you want them. Allot easier than trying to get that all done on the bench or the garage floor ::)
Yes there is a thread already on those subjects ;)
I agree. I’ll wait till I find out for sure. Who has that info?
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I looked for drive shaft stripe definition for over two years before I found a similarly equipped vehicle as mine, same assembly plant, and reasonably close build date.
I hope you find it much sooner than me, but you need to be patient.
Keep in mind that most people want a bright red convertible that looks good on the outside and sounds mean. A smaller subset want the bottom to be clean, and by clean that could be a shiny painted black, or new aluminum driveshaft. There is a small subset of people that are looking for factory original details.
When you add 50+ years of dirt and grime, the size of the set shrinks and continues to do so.
Lastly, it should make sense, based on value, that the Boss, CJ, Shelby, HiPo, GT, Mach etc. variety cars, will result in significantly more research and better documentation than a 6 cylinder car.
In some respects, those that restore the 6 cylinder cars are in a tougher position.
Patience is required. This is why Jeff noted that in this case the stripes are easily added at a later date.
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I agree. I’ll wait till I find out for sure. Who has that info?
Someone that has a very nice and well preserved car built like yours unless someone discovers some decoder manual that was used to instruct the workers on the line.
Won't hold my breath waiting for the decoder to be found :)
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I looked for drive shaft stripe definition for over two years before I found a similarly equipped vehicle as mine, same assembly plant, and reasonably close build date.
I hope you find it much sooner than me, but you need to be patient.
Keep in mind that most people want a bright red convertible that looks good on the outside and sounds mean. A smaller subset want the bottom to be clean, and by clean that could be a shiny painted black, or new aluminum driveshaft. There is a small subset of people that are looking for factory original details.
When you add 50+ years of dirt and grime, the size of the set shrinks and continues to do so.
Lastly, it should make sense, based on value, that the Boss, CJ, Shelby, HiPo, GT, Mach etc. variety cars, will result in significantly more research and better documentation than a 6 cylinder car.
In some respects, those that restore the 6 cylinder cars are in a tougher position.
Patience is required. This is why Jeff noted that in this case the stripes are easily added at a later date.
Thanx for the excellent advice. I’m in no hurry. I just had it cleaned and sanded and it looks great. The drive shaft had a little ding and I left it there. No telling when i did that.
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Thanx for the excellent advice. I’m in no hurry. I just had it cleaned and sanded and it looks great. The drive shaft had a little ding and I left it there. No telling when i did that.
There is an article about restoring drivelines in the Library if you haven't seen it yet
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Someone that has a very nice and well preserved car built like yours unless someone discovers some decoder manual that was used to instruct the workers on the line.
Won't hold my breath waiting for the decoder to be found :)
You know searching for the answers is a lot of the fun in this restoration. If I didn’t care I would gphave taken my car to a local and written a big check. Having a forum like this with guys that truly want to help is encouraging. I may try and attend the Houston show to skower the field. Thx J.
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Someone that has a very nice and well preserved car built like yours unless someone discovers some decoder manual that was used to instruct the workers on the line.
Won't hold my breath waiting for the decoder to be found :)
I just got back from seeing a 67 built at Dearborn with a 200 6cyl 3 spd just like mine. Built less than 2 months before mine. Looking close under the car it was really hard to tell. I put windex on it and it looked like 3 stripes. The first that I can see is a black stripe that may be 1/2” wide. It’s 18 3/4” from the back of the DS. 4” forward it appears to be a 1” Red stripe and 1” forward a yellow 1” stripe. The pic is not very good. I have an arrow pointed at what looks like a white stripe in front of the black stripe. I only saw that from the pic.
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I just got back from seeing a 67 built at Dearborn with a 200 6cyl 3 spd just like mine. Built less than 2 months before mine. Looking close under the car it was really hard to tell. ......................
Good you found your answer and IMHO you were lucky to find an example like your car so quick and close.
Its been my experience that sometimes digit cameras "see" details you don't see in person. Down side is often the colors are not the same as they look to the eye in person. Two edge sword but together it gets the job done.
Well done
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Good you found your answer and IMHO you were lucky to find an example like your car so quick and close.
Its been my experience that sometimes digit cameras "see" details you don't see in person. Down side is often the colors are not the same as they look to the eye in person. Two edge sword but together it gets the job done.
Well done
This car was about 5 miles. The red and yellow don’t show well in the pic but I’m sure they are R & Y.
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This car was about 5 miles. The red and yellow don’t show well in the pic but I’m sure they are R & Y.
Offer the owner an Evaporust soaking. He might tell you to go take a flying leap but he might let you get a closer look at his driveshaft! Make a buddy, work together and share notes ;) Never hurts to ask if you end up being a Buddy with the owner.
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I would soak you drive shaft in Evaporust and look for the paint marks
+1
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Offer the owner an Evaporust soaking. He might tell you to go take a flying leap but he might let you get a closer look at his driveshaft! Make a buddy, work together and share notes ;) Never hurts to ask if you end up being a Buddy with the owner.
Actually he offered to let me do what I needed to do once he gets to that point. Really nice guy.