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1st Generation 1964 1/2 - 1973 - Questions & general discussions that apply to a specific year => 1967 Mustang => Topic started by: preaction on October 16, 2016, 01:40:49 AM
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Im trying to find the right hose clamp for the return line hose to power steering pump, the new looking one is what NPD says is correct and the Whittic #2 clamp is what came with the car are either of these right ? Also what would be the best hose to use for the return line from a concours point of view ?
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May I ask which 67 (from your signature) are you working on? There are differences in early & late versions and your April car is at or around that change-over period.
I would say NPD's clamp is incorrect and the #2 Wittek is correct.
As far as the return hose, the original return hose would have had a single crimp on the collar back near the control valve. NOS ones are usually only found to have a double crimp.
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Thanks for the response Richard, the April 28 build car. So the Wittek at the pump and was a spring type clamp used at the other end ?
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Thanks for the response Richard, the April 28 build car. So the Wittek at the pump and was a spring type clamp used at the other end ?
Original hoses would be single crimped at the control valve end (no clamp). Many replacement hoses came with the clamp. NOS replacement hoses were typically double crimped unless you found a very early old stock hose. Very similar double crimp reproduction big block versions are available that do not use the clamp at the bottom.
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Richard, this is what I was trying to get to and its the clamp above identified but also the clamp below this one I posted is one I'm not sure if its correct. One of my other concerns was the hose used in between these two clamps there is no crimp and its a plain length of p/s hose is it possible to replace that with something resembling what was used at the factory?
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Richard, this is what I was trying to get to and its the clamp above identified but also the clamp below this one I posted is one I'm not sure if its correct. One of my other concerns was the hose used in between these two clamps there is no crimp and its a plain length of p/s hose is it possible to replace that with something resembling what was used at the factory?
If you are concerned about nuance details I am puzzled why you would you want to use such a poor example of power steering hose. Blue Dot maKes excellent repros relative to what you now have.
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Bob, I do have the blue dot hoses they sell on my parts shelf, I was hoping to install all of the correct pieces together rather than 1 or 2 at a time. The blue dot parts are of excellent quality.
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Also is the clamp for the return line correct ?
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Also is the clamp for the return line correct ?
My info is based on the fact that so much on the regular Mustang is the same as the Shelby's I work on . With that said the one on the left in your first picture would be my guess. I say guess because that aspect is different on the Shelby's compared to regular Mustang. I have seen that one commonly on 68's(Shelby's too for that year) but can't remember if on 67 regular Mustang. The 67 Shelby version had a different hose put on at Ford and a crimp on clamp was used instead. The clamp you have on the hose in the picture is however one I personally have never encountered on a original car and don't think is correct . Hopefully we can get a definitive answer so I don't have to guess next time.
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I have not seen the clamp picture on a original car either. I think I may have seen it in some of the catalogs.
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Looks like a 67 Cougar strut rod setup and I don't see a sway bar - what's the story?
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Winner of the chicken dinner, sway bar was out for engine installation and general engine bay maintenance.
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My info is based on the fact that so much on the regular Mustang is the same as the Shelby's I work on . With that said the one on the left in your first picture would be my guess. I say guess because that aspect is different on the Shelby's compared to regular Mustang. I have seen that one commonly on 68's(Shelby's too for that year) but can't remember if on 67 regular Mustang. The 67 Shelby version had a different hose added at SA and a crimp on clamp was used instead. The clamp you have on the hose in the picture is however one I personally have never encountered on a original car and don't think is correct . Hopefully we can get a definitive answer so I don't have to guess next time.
Bob, what has been your experience as to what clamp was used ?
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Bob, what has been your experience as to what clamp was used ?
If it were me I would use the solid band one on the left. Like I said I am not 100% sure on a regular 67 Mustang (68/69 for sure) but have seen that style and not the other one in the picture or the one on your hose in the picture. They are reproduced and sold by NPD I believe among others.
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My info is based on the fact that so much on the regular Mustang is the same as the Shelby's I work on . With that said the one on the left in your first picture would be my guess. I say guess because that aspect is different on the Shelby's compared to regular Mustang. I have seen that one commonly on 68's(Shelby's too for that year) but can't remember if on 67 regular Mustang. The 67 Shelby version had a different hose added at SA and a crimp on clamp was used instead. The clamp you have on the hose in the picture is however one I personally have never encountered on a original car and don't think is correct . Hopefully we can get a definitive answer so I don't have to guess next time.
If I were to guess I suspect they removed the line at the pump and ran a new one to the cooler and from the cooler to the split apart return line. It appears SA used diagonal cutters rather than the normal tool since all of the crimps have a peak, rather than being flat.
Here is a pic of my original return line showing the join at the mid portion of the return.
I have an original to 1967 full size Ford pump which netted me a proper dip stick. It has an April 67 tag and back strap support still attached. The return line was cut by the PO when I bought it and has a crimped clamp as done by Ford.
I suspect if SA did as I mention above, this crimped clamp on a Shelby would also be of the peaked style.
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If I were to guess I suspect they removed the line at the pump and ran a new one to the cooler and from the cooler to the split apart return line. It appears SA used diagonal cutters rather than the normal tool since all of the crimps have a peak, rather than being flat.
Here is a pic of my original return line showing the join at the mid portion of the return.
I have an original to 1967 full size Ford pump which netted me a proper dip stick. It has an April 67 tag and back strap support still attached. The return line was cut by the PO when I bought it and has a crimped clamp as done by Ford.
I suspect if SA did as I mention above, this crimped clamp on a Shelby would also be of the peaked style.
In regards to 67 Shelby's there was no removing of lines or clamps because Ford installed the line and cooler on the Ford assemblyline and not at SA. Consequently since the clamps were crimped by Ford then any deviation from a flat top on the clamp was by mistake or not having the right tool by the Ford line worker.
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Ok, I'm confused by reply 8 then.
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Ok, I'm confused by reply 8 then.
You revived a thread that is over 6 years old. More up to date information is available now. I will go back and adjust the information in the old post to reflect current info so others reading may not be confused.
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The correct Assembly Line (4) crimp clamps for the P/S cooler lines are all marked 775 [C]| please?
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You revived a thread that is over 6 years old. More up to date information is available now. I will go back and adjust the information in the old post to reflect current info so others reading may not be confused.
It's always a difficult choice whether I should add onto even an old thread or create yet another one. I wasn't trying to put you on the spot as I thought it might be a better understanding of the topic. I wanted to say something like that in my response but I was on a tablet and I hate typing on a virtual keyboard.
I'll line out part of my response too.
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Its not just you Bill it can be a challenge at times looking through many threads doing reasearch to find something specific and not always starting a new thread.
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Its not just you Bill it can be a challenge at times looking through many threads doing reasearch to find something specific and not always starting a new thread.
Unfortunately your correct. The easiest is for someone just to start a new thread with a question, then others often do the"leg work" and find a matching thread for them, the new post then gets moved to the last page along with the answer of an older thread making for, often, a long read.
The other options is often starting a Members Build Thread thread where its all about you and your car :) but for others finding details and information to apply to their car often gets lost in very long threads.
At least with this media its there for ever or until someone deletes or their storage service goes down (if they don't store the pictures on this site or post. It's just the challenge of finding what your looking for. Much like the whole internet Too much info or not knowing what to believe or no answers.
Sorry got off thread. Now back to PS hose clamps 8)
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From J Speegle on November 28, 2022: "Sorry got off thread. Now back to PS hose clamps"
I do not see any additional information discussion about the correct hose clamps for the return line on 1967 Mustangs/Shelbys from the San Jose Plant.
I am currently putting my 1967 Shelby GT 500 (4/12/1967 SJ build date) back together and working on the power steering components. I am reviving this thread once again to try and understand the correct hardware specifically for the P/S return hose - clamp on the back of pump and clamp where return hose joins another hose assembly at the support bracket under the car.
Bossbill provided pictures of examples he has, one from a March Shelby and one from a big Ford P/S pump. The clamps shown are the solid band tool crimped style. A lot of the other comments talk about other different types of clamps but I am not seeing a description for the predominant/most common hardware seen for these locations, specifically for a 67 Shelby in my case.
Sorry if I am missing something in reading the Posts but would like to have some clarification. Thanks for your help.
Tom Gilliam
tom@jtgil.com
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From J Speegle on November 28, 2022: "Sorry got off thread. Now back to PS hose clamps"
I do not see any additional information discussion about the correct hose clamps for the return line on 1967 Mustangs/Shelbys from the San Jose Plant.
I am currently putting my 1967 Shelby GT 500 (4/12/1967 SJ build date) back together and working on the power steering components. I am reviving this thread once again to try and understand the correct hardware specifically for the P/S return hose - clamp on the back of pump and clamp where return hose joins another hose assembly at the support bracket under the car.
Bossbill provided pictures of examples he has, one from a March Shelby and one from a big Ford P/S pump. The clamps shown are the solid band tool crimped style. A lot of the other comments talk about other different types of clamps but I am not seeing a description for the predominant/most common hardware seen for these locations, specifically for a 67 Shelby in my case.
Sorry if I am missing something in reading the Posts but would like to have some clarification. Thanks for your help.
Tom Gilliam
tom@jtgil.com
Your 67 Shelby will use the solid type crimp clamps at all PS connection points from the factory. The assembly line clamp originally was marked with a 725 and sometimes a 775 . The clamps also had a makers mark that looks like a trapezoid with a small C inside. The main thing is to have a proper sized solid clamp in all positions. The correct markings is only required in thoroughbred . Trailered concours expects the correct part but the marking is not required. Many of the replacement clamps are unmarked and with that said if it has a mark other then what I mentioned then make the alternative mark disappear. It would be hard to read and although a marking is not required in Trailered concours a wrong marking technically could be a source for a possible deduction.
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Bob, Thanks for the additional information. That clears up a couple of different questions I was running up against.
Tom Gilliam
tom@jtgil.com