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1st Generation 1964 1/2 - 1973 - Questions & general discussions that apply to a specific year => 1966 Mustang => Topic started by: Josep on September 03, 2016, 04:32:51 PM
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What should be the radiator tag for my car please..? w/TE, w/o AC, w/o PS
Thanks,
Josep
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Max/AMK shows (business that reproduces the soldered on radiator ID tags) shows the C4ZE-Z2 for cars equipped as yours is.
Checked my pictures and I have none of the top tanks from 66 Thermactor cars to check. Checked the MPC and found that in 67 Ford serviced (had available for replacing the original radiator) all of the 6 cylinders with one part number to cut down on inventory for the dealerships/service shops so that is of no help.
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So, are you saying the C4ZE-Z2 would be the right one..?
Josep
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So, are you saying the C4ZE-Z2 would be the right one..?
What I'm sharing is that the guy reproducing the tags believes, based on his homework, that the -Z2 is correct for your application. I could not find anything at this time to support or to question their finding.
Just sharing the process and my current findings for you to base your choice on
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Ok Jeff, Thanks.
Josep
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:P C4ZE-Z2 is for a V8 application, not i6.
Not sure what you plan on using your tongue for, but apparently it isn't telling us what you found would be the correct engineering number for the application ::)
As for the number I posted guess you should contact Max. Or maybe the website information is different than what I copied
From what I've seen the 1966 i6 radiators (all factory assembly plants) did not use soldiered tags since they were all DEP style radiators installed. ....................
Here is a late 66 San Jose example (subject of this tread) with a Modine 6 cylinder radiator and a soldered on tag as shown like the V8 San Jose examples. In this example an "A2"
www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=12291.msg74730#msg74730 (http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=12291.msg74730#msg74730)
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/5/6-150316182734-53971267.jpeg)
Josep Sorry didn't ask earlier (must have slipped my mind) what transmission does/did you car have. The example above is a non-PS non AC non Thermactor , automatic. So maybe it will be of use for another owner since its not a direct match your your car it appears. With a projected build date the last week of Jun 66.
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Thanks Autolite and Jeff.
Yeah.! that's exactly what I was asking.! The example above you say it's a late 66 San Jose. Then, you mention a build date of jun 65, am I misunderstanding something..? Or maybe you wanted to say late 66 with build date last week of jun 66..?
My car matches with this example, non PS non AC Auto Thermactor (in progress.!)
In this example I also notice that no thermactor is mount in the car.
And also, the hose going from water pump to carb spacer is rubber hose. I've been told that thermactor cars had a steel tube instead of that rubber hose (?)
See my signature for the info required ;) Maybe too many letters to read the info.!
Josep
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Sorry that is what I get for posting at 2 am
The example is a late 66 (changed my post above) and without Thermactor. So its possible (accordign to some sources) that it would have had a different soldered on tag. More in response to Autolite's post and observations
Sorry for the confusion and very late posting ::)
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Not a problem Jeff.! All is clear and fine.!
Josep
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I see from the list that Autolite has posted, that there's one matching tag for my application, but the inconvenience is the tag is for 67.
Radiator tag for 1967 200 models with A/T, without A/C, with smog controls. Tag reads: C7ZE L
So, not the same option for 66 cars..?
Josep
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No, I haven't, it's a replacement rad.
So I asked for one of those tags, but I see it doesn't worth to look for one because none of the ones seen match my application.
All vendor looks to have those tags for 66 cars, but all I have seen are indeed for V8s, haven't found any for 200 cars with my applications.
Josep
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....So, not the same option for 66 cars..?
correct - ignore the 67 or any other listing except for things related to your specific details
For the record - have pictures of over 20 Modine style radiators installed in 66 San Jose built 6 cylinders. The one shown above was the clearest and nicest of the bunch (car was very nice also - the reason I posted all the pictures originally in that thread
FYI companies like this below have soldiered tags being "reproduced" that never existed like the C4ZE-H2. I can't say if thats the case for '66 A2 tags or not.
Are you suggesting that the tag in the example is a reproduction. Think some of the confusion comes from reproducers using service replacement documents in an effort to show what was built and installed when they really often list only what Ford suggested to use if an owner needed a new radiator. Unfortunately the early Buildsheets don't carry an identification number for the radiator applications. That would help allot in this case
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Finding a W-MO radiator would be the best, but very difficult to find one still in good shape.! Dunno if they can be repaired in that case. Also, as you mention, finding one with the correct date makes ever worse the find.!
Thanks,
Josep
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Here is the tag on my 66 San Jose- Oct 18 65 date - Radiator is date coded 9-65 W-MO- as you would expect for my build date. The tag is C6ZE G2. My car is a 6 cyl Thermactor - w/o ps and w/o power brake and no AC
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Application is like mine but different year.
Josep
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Different calendar year, but same year model (both are 66's) fwiw.
Allen
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That should be a 6Rxxx VIN right.?
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That should be a 6Rxxx VIN right.?
Doing a little research I find that jstefanick's 66 has a vin of 6R08Txxxxxx.
Allen
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So, with that same applications as my car, and with same year production (mine is a late 66) can we say that this C6ZE G2 tag will fit my car.?
Josep
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So, with that same applications as my car, and with same year production (mine is a late 66) can we say that this C6ZE G2 tag will fit my car.?
Think the question your looking for is "Can we say that this is the correct tag number for my car?"
IMHO its a maybe but not a certainty at this point. Only have one example almost a half years apart from yours - but a place to start
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Think the question your looking for is "Can we say that this is the correct tag number for my car?"
Correct, that's the question.!
IMHO its a maybe but not a certainty at this point. Only have one example almost a half years apart from yours - but a place to start
50/50 chance then :)
Josep
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50/50 chance ...
Wouldn't give it that high of odds at this point ::)
Will have to wait for or find more data/original examples
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Understood Jeff..
Josep
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Not so sure your speaking with all facts in place "Autolite". My radiator fits every criteria for being most probably original to the car (Oct 18 65 or thereabouts build date 18K, with a 9 65 stamping on the top). The radiator was sent out for repair on 12/14/82, as the gas station "Green Shell" etched their name on the top of the tank with that date- a common practice when a radiator was sent out for repair at the time (told to me by a gentleman who saw the etching on my radiator and runs an actual radiator rebuild shop out of St.Louis, whom I met at the 2016 Carlisle Ford Nationals). In other words, the radiator has a seemingly long history with the car that predates these repro tags even.
Kevin Marti's book clearly shows the C6ZE G2 code was used on 1966 radiators with a Manual trans, pg. 105 of his code book.
Even the sources you cite, Year One and Mustangs Unlimited say that they were used on about 50% of the cars. There is no code stamped on the side of my radiator support, so this is the likely tag put there at time of production, as at least half of them had, depending on what vendor made them.
I highly doubt mine is a repro, previous owner owned the car from the early 80's to 2010 when I picked it up. Not likely a repro tag on this one.
If you claim this tag was never used by Ford, what sources of information are you using for this opinion?
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Here is a late 66 San Jose example (subject of this tread) with a Modine 6 cylinder radiator and a soldered on tag as shown like the V8 San Jose examples. In this example an "A2"
Boy, I blew up that picture, it sure looks like a C6ZE A2 tag to my eyes. Would it be possible to say that we are building a bit of evidence that 6 cylinder, San Jose cars maybe did use the C6ZE tag designation vs. the 8 cylinder C4ZE tag?? Actually looking at further pics in Jeff Speegle's thread of Unrestored June 66 San Jose T code coupe, it clearly is a C6ZE A2 tag.
www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=12291.msg74730#msg74730 (http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=12291.msg74730#msg74730)
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/5/6-150316182734-53971267.jpeg)
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C6ZE D2 looks to be the most accurate to my application.
Thanks Autolite.!
Josep
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All this is excellent data, and thank you for posting it.
In the "however" department: could you list your sources?
And while we are at it, could you consolidate and format (year, plant, engine etc) all your research data and place it in the Library. Check with Jeff as to which section and other questions? He will work with you as he has with me.
Then, contact Max at AMK, and Kevin at Marti Auto with your research and data. Both have proven to be receptive with corrective input.
Jim