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1st Generation 1964 1/2 - 1973 - Questions & general discussions that apply to a specific year => 1966 Mustang => Topic started by: mach1one on August 18, 2016, 06:51:58 PM
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Looking for some help on the correct style heater hoses and radiator hoses for a 4/15/16 BD Metuchen V8. What appears to be the most common color stripe on the heater hoses and what appears to be the most common clamp style on the Radiator hoses. Thanks Lu
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Looking for some help on the correct style heater hoses and radiator hoses for a 4/15/16 BD Metuchen V8.
Guess you meant to write 4/15/66
Kevin Marti makes a good reproduction for your purposes with all the markings and logos
What appears to be the most common color stripe on the heater hoses and
Will leave this one to the 65-66 guys. Know I don't have enough pictures of enough samples to provided that sort of help in this instance
what appears to be the most common clamp style on the Radiator hoses. Thanks Lu
Tower clamps were used at both the heater hoses as well as on the radiator hoses for your time period, application and plant
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SJ is typically white stripe on the Mustang heater hose until shortly after 67 production started. I would suspect the other plants were similar in usage. Hopefully others with specific Dearborn and Metuchen observations will chime in to confirm or not my suspicions .
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Thanks for the input! I did a extensive search on all the forums and found some talk that perhaps in the 2nd half year production that wire style clamps may have been used on radiator hoses and that combined yellow /white even red heater hoses may have been used during that time period. It would be great if original Metuchen car owners could chime in with their observations.
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Thanks for the input! I did a extensive search on all the forums and found some talk that perhaps in the 2nd half year production that wire style clamps may have been used on radiator hoses and that combined yellow /white even red heater hoses may have been used during that time period. It would be great if original Metuchen car owners could chime in with their observations.
Pictures I have of original cars from NJ in 66 have the tower clamps. The wire ones were kind of an experiment (from our understanding) initially at San Jose along with the staples that held them in place to speed installation. Markings on those hoses are different from the ones used with the tower clamps. They were not introduced until about the half way point at San Jose (discussed in other threads) so maybe someone got confused between San Jose and NJ ::)
None of the cars I have pictures of have original heater hoses or no markings are visible
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This pic is just for reference but I had kept this because it represents an original 1966 Mustang 289 engine compartment. This is one of Bob Perkins cars, a very low milage 66' Mustang. This shows the radiator hoses with wire clamps but I do not know the exact build date or plant. Perhaps this would help folks none the less, once the plant/time period can be unearthed. Maybe others here know this info??
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And, this is from the Virginia Classic Mustang site.. Giving credit where credit is due ;)
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This pic is just for reference but I had kept this because it represents an original 1966 Mustang 289 engine compartment. This is one of Bob Perkins cars, a very low milage 66' Mustang. This shows the radiator hoses with wire clamps but I do not know the exact build date or plant. Perhaps this would help folks none the less, once the plant/time period can be unearthed. Maybe others here know this info??
Yes - wrong plant (Dearborn plant so doesn't apply to this particular discussion) and a pretty late car - 6F07C3802xx ;)
Do have a NJ example from "that" (very similar to the Dearborn example) with wire clamps on radiator hoses but towers on cars likely built just before the wire example. Unfortunately neither is from the time period being asked about :(
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Sorry bout that. Might be why I saved the pic but couldn't remember the car info.. The coupe I'm restoring next is a Dearborn, July 66' build. Lucky info for me but not this discussion. :-[
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Sorry bout that. Might be why I saved the pic but couldn't remember the car info.. The coupe I'm restoring next is a Dearborn, July 66' build. Lucky info for me but not this discussion. :-[
Positive side is that you can now label those pictures ;)
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From the research I've done it looks like they were using the white stripe. I went with it anyways. I have a Jan build from metuchen. It was my understanding that the wire clamps were only used in SJ as an experiment like Jeff said and I thought i read somewhere they were used very later in NJ but I could be wrong about that. Here is my completed engine compartment..
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Nice pics. hopefully a later build metuchen owner will chime in. On a different not it appears the manifolds were installed before engine paint
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- (Dearborn plant so doesn't apply to this particular discussion) and a pretty late car - 6F07C3802xx ;)
I also note the spring shield bolts with the nuts in the engine compartment, the later style valve covers and the LH valve cover without the PCV hose to the air cleaner.
Jim
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Nice pics. hopefully a later build metuchen owner will chime in. On a different not it appears the manifolds were installed before engine paint
That is correct on the manifolds. There is usually some overspray near the mounting bolts.
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It seems that painting a smallblock with the exhaust manifolds on and the subsequent slight engine color overspray on them was typical for a long time . I have a Ford document describing engine painting procedures for a 70 BOSS 302 engine. It told what was acceptable to be painted and what was not . It said that it was acceptable for overspray on to the exhaust manifolds which indicates they were installed prior to painting.
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That 'P' decal on the cowl is normally only found on Dearborn cars. NJ used 'PAINT OK' ink stamps with inspector name or number sequence below.
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Just to throw some uncertainty into the topic of radiator hose clamps.
for many years know I have been collecting knowledge, information and unrestored NJ 66 cars.
I have 2 cars that originally have the wire style clamps on radiator hoses. both have the wire clamps on engine side not radiator side...
also both lower radiator hoses seem to be original.
one car is door tagged; 03B and buck tagged B4
second car is door tagged; 01C and buck tagged B24
I am also restoring a separate NJ car with a early January 1966 build date and I intend to instal the wire type clamps on that car as well.
regards.
PHILL BERESFORD.
MELBOURNE.
AUSTRALIA.
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I have also seen and worked on 1966 NJ cars that had wire clamps on the radiator hoses. These cars weren't all built alike. I'd bet that suppliers made huge differences in the parts some cars received.
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I have 2 cars that originally have the wire style clamps on radiator hoses. both have the wire clamps on engine side not radiator side...
also both lower radiator hoses seem to be original.
Phil - are the markings still visible on those hoses. Guessing that they are not marked "Pat Pending" The half and half finding would indicate the order of installation at certain stations
.........I'd bet that suppliers made huge differences in the parts some cars received.
Each supplier made 10's of thousands of a particular part that should have all looked identical and as we understand from the managers certain suppliers supplied specific plants leading to the trends we see in original/unrestored cars. There are those periods when there was supply issues and another (not the typical) supplier would be used until the issue was resolved but even then a rail car full of supplier X's parts would produce another trend that would produce a bunch of cars all built the same again :)
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So it does appear that wire clamps were used in 2nd half production at all 3 plants. I did notice on Marti's site that they do sell the correct repo Rad hoses. He also sells the white and the white/yellow heater hoses.
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So it does appear that wire clamps were used in 2nd half production at all 3 plants........
I guess the question for us is when were they first used, in what configuration and with what hoses. ;)
Would need to start another thread to address the Dearborn V8 cars and the earliest group of cars found with the change built there. My earliest was in July 66 I believe
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Phil - are the markings still visible on those hoses. Guessing that they are not marked "Pat Pending" The half and half finding would indicate the order of installation at certain stations
JEFF. no visible markings on either of the lower hoses on my 66 NJ cars. the upper radiator hoses have definitely been replaced some time over the cars life. that's what trigged my interest seeing the wire type on one end and a reproduction style on radiator side.....
Don't think it had anything to do with "installation at certain stations" just general replacement over the cars life
regards.
PHILL BERESFORD.
MELBOURNE.
AUSTRALIA
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JEFF. no visible markings on either of the lower hoses on my 66 NJ cars. the upper radiator hoses have definitely been replaced some time over the cars life. that's what trigged my interest seeing the wire type on one end and a reproduction style on radiator side.....
Don't think it had anything to do with "installation at certain stations" just general replacement over the cars life
Sorry misunderstood. Thought you were describing wire at the engine end of each of the radiator hose and tower at the radiator end