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1st Generation 1964 1/2 - 1973 - Questions & general discussions that apply to a specific year => 1967 Mustang => Topic started by: 67gtasanjose on July 01, 2016, 11:51:03 AM
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Early 67 Mustangs with the Convenience Control Panel, have a wire running from between the under-shock tower braces, (under hood, middle of the cowl), along the pinch weld of the LH side of the cowl, through a clip near the brake booster, then drops downwards and runs alongside the headlight wiring harness and on to the starter solenoid (connected to the STARTER cable post).
NOTE: Later versions & 68 versions have this wire running along the RH strut brace...These are DIFFERENT and this type is indicated in the '67 Osborne Assembly manual with a revision date of circa January, 1967)
QUESTION: Is this single wire taped onto the headlight harness on original examples or is it loosely hanging in the same harness straps alongside the headlight harness?
It sure would be great to see an unrestored example of this wire and or wiring. Like my example, many of these have already been tampered with.
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They are taped to the headlamp harness. The solenoid feed is also used for vehicles with factory cruise control. Just got my eyes on an 11/66 1967 coupe with the SCG that has about 33,000 original miles.
-Keith
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Keith, some pictures would be great if possible.
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Keith, some pictures would be great if possible.
John! Good to hear from you again! I was rather hoping you had a few examples to share too since you have scrounged a few wrecking yards around the country for such parts & details. Always easier with such rare options, to have as many examples to source the "usual pattern" from. Better if we could see Dearborn & New Jersey versions too! The assembly manual really fails to help out at all on what workers ACTUALLY did on the assembly line and in my opinion, the cars typically found on the show field (restored cars) are not any better source of "truth" as my own example is...Just hoping to confirm what I suspect as truth while possibly helping others to improve on their example as well.
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Richard, yes I've been very busy the last three months. In a week or so I can go through my pictures. I do recall that the last car that served as a donor (early Dearborn) unfortunately had that wire go through a meltdown. Fortunately everything else was near perfect, even the sending unit.
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Remember, the early feed wire from the solenoid is the same used for vehicles with Cruise Control. They are taped according to information supplied from where the vehicle is at about a 12-14" interval with 3/4" cloth tape. Where it crosses the cowl over the booster/master there is a clip on the cowl. I am trying to get pictures of that detail being I didn't think to ask for them when the other pictures were sent.
I think I know what clip was used to hold the wiring across the firewall, but I will wait on pictures or conformation.
-Keith
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Remember, the early feed wire from the solenoid is the same used for vehicles with Cruise Control. They are taped according to information supplied from where the vehicle is at about a 12-14" interval with 3/4" cloth tape. Where it crosses the cowl over the booster/master there is a clip on the cowl. I am trying to get pictures of that detail being I didn't think to ask for them when the other pictures were sent.
I think I know what clip was used to hold the wiring across the firewall, but I will wait on pictures or conformation.
-Keith
Cool! Pics are also worth a million words if not too much trouble ;) I like that this one is unmolested!
For what it's worth, I looked at Speed Control Option installation (site Library under 1967) and in the Osborne Assembly manual...The tape is not mentioned either location.
Now, CONVERTIBLE TOP FEED WIRE shows about 12 inch intrevals with 3/4 inch tape so it would only make sense that this single wire would be secured the same way (maybe the same time on a convertible with Convenience Group.)
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... Where it crosses the cowl over the booster/master there is a clip on the cowl. I am trying to get pictures of that detail being I didn't think to ask for them when the other pictures were sent.
I think I know what clip was used to hold the wiring across the firewall, but I will wait on pictures or conformation.
-Keith
This clip?
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C3SB-14A163-A is the part number. These are not reproduced. As a matter of fact, the fuel tank sender wire on my Shelby uses one in place of the 372046-S100 that is shown in the assembly manual.
-Keith
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Looked through my pictures for 1967 eight barrel last week and could not find any visible evidence of a separate wire in the solenoid area on cars with this option
For what it's worth, I looked at Speed Control Option installation (site Library under 1967) and in the Osborne Assembly manual...The tape is not mentioned either location.
Consider that the instructions often related to the installation of the option by dealers not the assembly plant. Would expect to find differences in routing and other small details when comparing the two installations.
Just a thought ;)
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Looked through my pictures for 1967 eight barrel last week and could not find any visible evidence of a separate wire in the solenoid area on cars with this option
Consider that the instructions often related to the installation of the option by dealers not the assembly plant. Would expect to find differences in routing and other small details when comparing the two installations.
Just a thought ;)
Jeff is on the money! If you look in the Electrical assembly manual on page 57, you'll note it's a revision 16 Jan 67, which superseded 28 Sept 66.
The clip is different on the long version of the solenoid to dash feed. I'm working on other pictures from the 33K unmolested vehicle now for reference.
-Keith
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C3SB-14A163-A is the part number. These are not reproduced. As a matter of fact, the fuel tank sender wire on my Shelby uses one in place of the 372046-S100 that is shown in the assembly manual.
-Keith
I bumped into this clip over at AMK site this morning:
http://www.amkproducts.com/bulk3.asp?part=B%2D13969
Looks much the same as the one I pictured earlier (one pictured earlier believed +95% came from an original example) I would need to take measurements to confirm but at a glance, looks spot-on.
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Jeff,
Something just came to mind. The vehicle in reference has the factory hood turn signal indicators. With that said, is there a clip that was used that held the hood wiring in place on the cowl? I didn't think about that.
-Keith
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Jeff,
Something just came to mind. The vehicle in reference has the factory hood turn signal indicators. With that said, is there a clip that was used that held the hood wiring in place on the cowl? I didn't think about that.
In conjunction with the ground on the drivers side there was a plastic "T" shaped retainer that was tapped to the loom at the lower end of the loom before ti attaches to the main loom near the master cylinder
The tap no longer holds this loom to the retainer in this example
(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/firetrainer/67%20Mustang/7R03C1883xx/7R03C1883xxengmc_zpseb67cd2b.jpg) (http://s44.photobucket.com/user/firetrainer/media/67%20Mustang/7R03C1883xx/7R03C1883xxengmc_zpseb67cd2b.jpg.html)
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In conjunction with the ground on the drivers side there was a plastic "T" shaped retainer that was tapped to the loom at the lower end of the loom before ti attaches to the main loom near the master cylinder
The tap no longer holds this loom to the retainer in this example
(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/firetrainer/67%20Mustang/7R03C1883xx/7R03C1883xxengmc_zpseb67cd2b.jpg) (http://s44.photobucket.com/user/firetrainer/media/67%20Mustang/7R03C1883xx/7R03C1883xxengmc_zpseb67cd2b.jpg.html)
This feature of the hood turn light loom being taped to this plastic retainer, (as pictured, and as mentioned,it is pulled loose) on certain applications with the louvered hood option is NOT even on all 67-68 models....Another detail to iron out possibly with more "unrestored" data ;) Nonetheless, this detail is entirely unrelated to the "S" clip needed on the early version Convenience Panel Wire.
Keith, I've looked close at the pictures you provided and though I did not enhance the image, the clip I see the silhouette of looks like the ones I have pictured. Just a kind suggestion, buy one from AMK, I think you'll find it is correct...Better yet, buy two and send me one. :) I'll lay them side-by-side to my original and upload pictures. Mine has a rubbed edge and I was wondering if I should replace it or not ;)
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I have two originals, however you'll note that the C3SB clip can only be used in the middle of the braces, I have a Shelby, so it can't be done because of the export brace. The early vehicle I have posted pictures from seems to use a different clip. It looks more akin to the D clips that were used on 65-6 windshield washer hoses. That's great they started offering the C3SB clips, as they are not in the current catalog, nor were they supplied with the wiring clip kits AMK offers.
Jeff, thank you for digging through and posting. I am awaiting more pictures from the aforementioned vehicle.
P.S. I watched you on the West Coast Cougar segement on markings. Very nice!
-Keith
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I have two originals, however you'll note that the C3SB clip can only be used in the middle of the braces, I have a Shelby, so it can't be done because of the export brace...
Convenience Group on a 67 Shelby???
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Yup. On the Marti too.
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Yup. On the Marti too.
PM sent so that we don't get off thread ;)
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I have two originals, however you'll note that the C3SB clip can only be used in the middle of the braces, I have a Shelby, so it can't be done because of the export brace. The early vehicle I have posted pictures from seems to use a different clip.
-Keith
I think you will find that on original installations, this clip is mounted somewhere between the brake booster and the LH brace to the shock tower (not between the two braces if that is what you are suggesting) You should find this clip above where the engine feed harness comes through the cowl.
Translation: It will not make a difference if you have an Export Brace. I have pictures of restored cars that confirm this but will not post to the thread because it was restored (you may have the same picture already) I do know I had put an export brace on my car before and did not have to move the clip over .
I am also very confident that the clip I posted earlier (like the one at AMK), is a correct picture of what Mustang's used to support this wire at this location. I guess we'll have to wait & see what your "unrestored" Florida example has on it to confirm (when more pictures come in ;) )
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I believe the C3SB-14A163-A clips are used to support the hood light wire across the passenger shock tower brace.
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Marty,
The clips for the hood lamp wiring are as follows: 3-379061-S on the strut base and one C3SB-14A163-B at the cowl.
-Keith
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Resurrecting this old thread because it looks like we did not come to a conclusion. I have posted some relevant pictures from 7F01C129187 over on this other thread, because it is more comprehensive:
http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=8554.msg128725#msg128725
Link fixed - thanks Bill
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I think you mean this url (which will not initiate a "post" action):
http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=8554.msg128725#msg128725