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1st Generation 1964 1/2 - 1973 - Questions & general discussions that apply to a specific year => 1967 Mustang => Topic started by: 34isgreat on June 21, 2015, 11:39:05 PM
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Thinking of installing a factory console in my 67, anyone have a list of all the parts I will need? My car is a non-console car so I need everything. Questions I have are...
1. What parts are needed to do a factory correct install?
2. Are all the parts available / reproduced? I see California Mustang has a kit, does it have everything needed?
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There are two variations of a 67 console, one with the safety convenience lights and one without. Based on a console project I did several years back, don't bother with the safety convenience lights. Most of what you are looking for is covered in the 67 Mustang Electrical Assembly Manual, the actual console installation including the radio. The drawing depict the wiring, brackets and hardware.The console itself is "relatively" simple, shell, trim panels and hardware.
Jim
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Don't forget the factory A/C vs. non factory A/C type, making for a total of four variations in 67.
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Let me revise my original reply, the console housing for 1967 is the same for both standard and with the safety convenience group. The associated panels and wiring are different, but, like the shifter panel, are separately installed.
Don't forget the factory A/C vs. non factory A/C type, making for a total of four variations in 67.
If you would, refresh my memory on this. I know of six different housings for 64-66 (A/C, A/C for convertible, full early, full early for convertible, full late, full late for convertible), but the 67 housing seems to be the same for all.
Jim
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It is more like this:
Plastic base (besides different colors) was trimmed for manual trans, trimmed for Select-Air Conditioning and trimmed for convertibles. I have seen a very short version for a dealer-installed air conditioning but looked rather hokey to me.
Console top plate was different between the manual trans and auto trans consoles. (top plate between seats), obviously, different shifter plates for manual or automatic, & different radio plate for with or without Convenience group.
Everything else is the same. (wiring/lamps/hardware)
Automatic trans shifter assembly is different if changing from non-console to a console and you will need the complete shifter lamp housing for console type along with the plastic connecting rod for the shifter light. You need the dome light feed wire that runs under the carpeting and you will need the 3-piece radio/front console bracket set to install a console into a non-console car.
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Richard, nice job in summarizing it. The key is that the plastic base can be trimmed for AC, manual, or convertible, but it's hard to put humpty back together. When buying used, you need to know what you are getting.
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Don't forget the factory A/C vs. non factory A/C type, making for a total of four variations in 67.
Hi,
Just saw this....
Different consoles trimmed for Select-Air Conditioning and trimmed for convertibles 1967 (A/T) (None Convinience Group)
Does anyone has pictures to be posted?
I'm interested in how a console Convertible with Air Conditioning should look like, especially plastic shape driver side (cut, none cut?)
And which version is this one:
Great thx.
Ralf
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That one is trimmed for factory A/C because it is cut vertically below the dash to make room for the A/C floor diffuser assembly. If you look at the attached diagram I drew a line that shows the area cut off.
I don't have memorized the differences in profile where it meets the floor to say whether this is for a convertible or not.
Ford serviced all of these with a single part (in multiple colors).
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Also looking at the one in your picture, and referring to the attached modified picture, the windlace identified by the red arrow is correct. However, there should be no windlace in the areas shown in blue.
Also since you don't have the holes in the face of part 04567 (referring to the previous post diagram) this is not configured for the convenience control option.
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Hi John, Thx for clarification.
In my car I have a console and factory Air Conditioning.
However, the part is not cut on the driver side like the one shown above. This evening I'll make a pic.
Additionally, on the above part it seems there are 2 holes drilled in plastic surface. Don't know for what reason?
Here a detail (no better available).
And how to repair such things best?
Thx
Ralf
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Those holes are behind the ashtray because your console base is a 68. The holes were used to attach the pad. You could fill them with a epoxy like JB weld.
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Similar to the discussion here:
http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=20196.0
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Mine
And thx Marty...thats it probably.
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That last picture was of a console that has not been modified for A/C
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To the original poster (34isgreat) The reproductions are very nice but are not totally complete if you are adding a console to a automatic equipped Mustang. I may have missed it but I did not see a body style or transmission type. The repro consoles are made for coupe / fastback and the base will need to be modified to fit a convertible which is not a big deal. The repro does not come with a shifter assembly which is specific to a console equipped car. I would suggest finding a used console shifter assembly rather than a repro. This only applies to a automatic transmission equipped car of course. If your Mustang is a manual transmission, it is basically a plug and play installation and is complete. Hope this helps. Paul
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The repro consoles are made for coupe / fastback and the base will need to be modified to fit a convertible which is not a big deal.
Comming back to this point.
Does anyone know, how the ACP repro console needs to be modified fitting to a convert tunnel?
Pictures would be highly appreciated.
Thank you.
Ralf
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Like converting an original console from coupe/fastback the bottom edge needs to be trimmed to compensate for the differences in the seat riser. You'll need a pattern from an original convertible for that. Surprise they don't offer that :( as an addition to the item they sold you
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Thx Jeff.
I did not buy an ACP console. Just curious what needs to be done on an aftermarket FB/C console to adjust to a convertible.
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Since this has been a lingering issue, if it were me I would consider removing the seats, but leaving the carpet in. Then lay the console in place. Observe where the console does, and doesn't touch the carpet. Then take a piece of cardboard, one per side, and cut the bottom so that it is snug to the carpet all the way fore and aft. Then use the cardboard to transfer the mark to the console, and cut the plastic accordingly.
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Thanks for including the pics of the manual, and the associated dates.
We know that items 2 & 3 were revised on 3-28-67 in accordance with engineering change notice CZV1-PF-512234.
We know that the previous revision was on 2-24-67, but don't know the scope of that revision.
We don't know the full revision history
We don't know what the drawing looked like at the times our cars were built.
As we know, 67 was the poster child year for changes.
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Since this has been a lingering issue, if it were me I would consider removing the seats, but leaving the carpet in. Then lay the console in place. Observe where the console does, and doesn't touch the carpet. Then take a piece of cardboard, one per side, and cut the bottom so that it is snug to the carpet all the way fore and aft. Then use the cardboard to transfer the mark to the console, and cut the plastic accordingly.
John, Thx for your hint.
However, I do not know where and what to cut.
Inner/Outer line?
Attached pics of a spare console I have.
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Maybe pictures will help. Here is a mock up. This is a fastback with appropriately contoured console where it meets the carpet.
It is my understanding (but not by practical hands on experience) that the contour of the floor is different due to the convertible structural needs. I think it is safe to say that the convertible has "more" structure which results in areas of the floor tunnel that are "higher" than the coupe or fastback. This means that all things being equal, some of the bottom edge of the console needs to be removed in order for the console to sit tight to the convertible floor.
The first picture shows the area I'm talking about with red lines.
If you take a piece of cardboard, and put it where the edge of the console will be, and cut the cardboard as needed so that you have a tight profile, you should be able to transfer that to the console, and then cut the plastic. I would probably do both sides and not assume they are the same.
If anyone else out there has a better idea please chime in. I have used this technique for other things but not for a Mustang console.
The second picture shows the vertical cut at the rear of the console for clearance for air conditioning. Both sides need cutting.
Does this help?
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Understood, John.
But the mounting (screw) area should not be modified.
Seems difficult than to line up to fit not touching the fixing holes.
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that makes sense. The area to be cut is probably not in those areas. If your car has the original holes in the floor, those would be great reference points to place the cardboard and align to the console.
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Add comment.
My car has factory AC and the both ends of the console are not cut to fit.
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I don't think the console will fit in there without the cuts as shown in the picture. Even if you were able to force it in there, the air from the floor register would be discharged into the console and not at the feet as intended.
I'm sensing deja vu all over again: see the first page of this thread
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I think I have a original convertible console.
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I think I have a original convertible console.
Nice.
Would it be possible to take some pics and measurements?
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Moved the Console/Seatbelt discussion to its own thread so those interested and discuss away :)
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Nice.
Would it be possible to take some pics and measurements?
It is not much help this one is a 65 convertible console. It is a different style but gives you a idea of what the cut out is like.
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.....seems like that.
Rough estimation. Need to evaluate more precise.