Topic: bell crank differences

[67gta289]

Just noticed a difference between an automatic transmission and manual transmission bellcrank - other than the kickdown lever.  Referring to the pictures, the profile in the interior is naturally the same, but the profile in the engine compartment is quite different.   I'm posting this in case some unscrupulous seller cuts off the kickdown lever to sell as a manual transmission version.

Note that the dimensions based on the tape measure are with the 2x4 shown on the bench in picture 1.  The point is to look at the difference - quite significant.

[CharlesTurner]

I've noticed the differences in the shape of the upper part of the bell-crank also, even between manual trans. 

[J_Speegle]

John is this a 67 or 68 thing your looking at our are we seeing differences between years & application?

[67gta289]

Excellent question.  I know that the automatic (kick down lever) version is from a 67 390 car.  The manual trans version was picked up in a lot of 67-68 parts, but I can't be 100% sure of the year or in fact whether a 3 speed or 4 speed, or engine for that matter.  I do have another manual trans version and will compare the two, but I don't know of that source either.  Come to think of it, I have a known 67 289 one also and can compare that to the 390.  Will report back on this.

I was kind of hoping to spur on some discussion, educate some that might think they are the same, and possibly find someone that has all the answers

Would be nice if these had part numbers stamped on them...

Update - compared the 289 and 390 automatic versions and they are different.  So I looked at the 75 MPC and come up with 5 different part numbers for 67-68.

Year   Trans   Engine   Part Number
67/68   Manual   200   C7ZZ-9725-C
         
67/68   Manual   289, 302   C5ZZ-9725-A
         
67/68   Manual   390   C5ZZ-9725-A
         
67/68   C4   200   C7ZZ-9725-B
         
67/68   C4   289, 302   C6ZZ-9725-A
         
67/68   C6   390   C7ZZ-9725-A
         
68      428   C7ZZ-9725-A

[J_Speegle]

Will check to see if the production year MPC carries the same part numbers and get back.

Ok checked a April 68 version of this section in the MPC and came up with the following. Seems as expected that Ford changed recommended parts between when they were producing some of these cars and almost 10 years later. Also reformatted to fit the one that John already posted for easier comparison


Year------------------Trans------   Engine----------- Part Number
67- through 4/68------Manual------ 289 & 302--------  C5ZZ-9725-A   

67- through 4/68------Manual------   390--------------  C5ZZ-9725-A   

67- through 4/68------C4----------- 289 & 302--------  C6ZZ-9725-A   
     
67- through 4/68------C6-----------   390--------------  C7ZZ-9725-A

68- through 4/68------All-----------   428CJ------------  C8ZZ-9725-A   (427 4V is also shown under this part number)

While I'm posting here are the other 67-8 applications listed

Year------------------Trans------   Engine----------- Part Number
67- through 4/68------C4-----------   200--------------  C7ZZ-9725-B

67- through 4/68------C6-----------   200--------------  C7ZZ-9725-C


As always - what is in the MPC is what Ford carried in stock when the catalog was printed and is not always reflective of what was used on the assembly line to build or cars. These parts often vary in looks, details or design. Standard warning for readers

[tgilliam]

Resurrecting this "old" post to ask a question about the correct finish for the bell crank. In the pictures above, where a automatic and manual bell crank are compared, the finish looks different. I am looking for the correct assembly line type finish. My specific application is a 67 four-speed bell crank. Also, would the finish on the bell crank and the throttle rod be the same?
Thanks for any help you can provide.

Tom Gilliam

[Bob Gaines]

Resurrecting this "old" post to ask a question about the correct finish for the bell crank. In the pictures above, where a automatic and manual bell crank are compared, the finish looks different. I am looking for the correct assembly line type finish. My specific application is a 67 four-speed bell crank. Also, would the finish on the bell crank and the throttle rod be the same?
Thanks for any help you can provide.

Tom Gilliam

67/68 Bell crank is typically P/O . I believe the throttle rod finish could vary depending on year and engine application.

[J_Speegle]

67/68 Bell crank is typically P/O ...........

+1 Remember that finishes can look differently (what makes it difficult for us) 50 years later since each was exposed to different conditions and other things that can affect those finishes.

[tgilliam]

Bob, Jeff,
Thanks for the responses. The will help me keep moving.

Tom Gilliam

[67gta289]

Someone pointed out to me that the WCCC website has pictures that show that the automatic kick down lever for the 390 was moved outward (to the right when looking at it from the front of the car) presumably for clearance with the larger transmission.  Compare the left and right pictures in the attachment.  Can someone confirm that this is accurate for the 67 Mustangs?  I looked through many pictures but that location is one of those that is difficult to get to on a complete car.  TIA

[ruppstang]

I am sure that is true for 68 and I think it is for 67 as well.

[RoyceP]

Jeff the 428CJ manual transmission 1968 cars did not use the same throttle arm assembly as the automatic version. Apparently the 428CJ manual transmission assembly line version was not serviced.

Will check to see if the production year MPC carries the same part numbers and get back.

Ok checked a April 68 version of this section in the MPC and came up with the following. Seems as expected that Ford changed recommended parts between when they were producing some of these cars and almost 10 years later. Also reformatted to fit the one that John already posted for easier comparison


Year------------------Trans------   Engine----------- Part Number
67- through 4/68------Manual------ 289 & 302--------  C5ZZ-9725-A   

67- through 4/68------Manual------   390--------------  C5ZZ-9725-A   

67- through 4/68------C4----------- 289 & 302--------  C6ZZ-9725-A   
     
67- through 4/68------C6-----------   390--------------  C7ZZ-9725-A

68- through 4/68------All-----------   428CJ------------  C8ZZ-9725-A   (427 4V is also shown under this part number)

While I'm posting here are the other 67-8 applications listed

Year------------------Trans------   Engine----------- Part Number
67- through 4/68------C4-----------   200--------------  C7ZZ-9725-B

67- through 4/68------C6-----------   200--------------  C7ZZ-9725-C


As always - what is in the MPC is what Ford carried in stock when the catalog was printed and is not always reflective of what was used on the assembly line to build or cars. These parts often vary in looks, details or design. Standard warning for readers

[J_Speegle]

Jeff the 428CJ manual transmission 1968 cars did not use the same throttle arm assembly as the automatic version. Apparently the 428CJ manual transmission assembly line version was not serviced.

Thanks for correcting an old post. We realize that the MPC's don't always represent what was installed on the line. Wonder what C8ZZ-9725-A was originally designed for that Ford wanted service personal to use as a replacement.

[67gta289]

I've been pulling some of these out of the junkyard and felt the need to do a bit more research.  Please refer to the attached PDF.  Feedback including corrections is always appreciated.  John