Topic: Radio Suppression - With Generator

[must69]

Was there a radio suppression device on a 64-1/2 260 generator car? I am working on an original car and there is not any.  The Electrical Assembly Manual shows one on the rear of the generator, but my car does not have one.  Retro vendors say they are attached to the voltage regulator.  The car has a factory radio.
Thanks.
Phil

[MarkIV]

My May 18th convertible has the one on the voltage regulator.
Mark

[must69]

Can your provide a photo?

[J_Speegle]

With the shields on the generator I can't provide any pictures showing where or when there was one attached to the generator

If you look at the threads on those 65 with alternators and radios you will find them at the alternator and the voltage regulators (two of them)

I suppose you used the search and found the related threads. I used "suppressor generator"

Threads like with some pictures

http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=11988.msg72482#msg72482

http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=2154.msg24378#msg24378

[jwc66k]

With the shields on the generator I can't provide any pictures showing where or when there was one attached to the generator

In the 64 Mustang Electrical Assembly Manual (AM003 pg71) there is a condenser (C3AA-18827-A) shown with the lead attached to an existing stud and retained by an existing screw (they call it a bolt) and washer; and a second (C3AA-18832-A) attached to a voltage regulator terminal and retained by a regulator mounting screw.
Jim

[must69]

Thanks Jeff.  My car was original as it can get.  Built July 14, generator, 260 and it did not have a suppressor at all.  Just looked at photos and there is isn't one there.  The only thing i can think of is that it was a dealer installed radio, and the suppressor was never installed, at the point of purchase as "Radio" is on the original invoice.  I do not know of any way to determine if it is factory or dealer installed.

[must69]

Jim, I have that manual, so I will check that out. 
Thanks.
Phil

[196667Bob]

I do not have a 1964 or 1965 Shop Manual, however, other Shop Manuals I have from the 50's to the 70's all cover Radio Suppression in the Section covering Radioes. Note that an Alternator does not require one on it like generators as the alternators have a built-in suppression.
I have attached typical set-ups from 1962 and 1966 Shop Manuals.

Bob

[jwc66k]

I do not have a 1964 or 1965 Shop Manual, however, other Shop Manuals I have from the 50's to the 70's all cover Radio Suppression in the Section covering Radioes. Note that an Alternator does not require one on it like generators as the alternators have a built-in suppression.
I have attached typical set-ups from 1962 and 1966 Shop Manuals.

The 65 Mustang Electrical Manual (AM0008 pg 61) shows the alternator with condenser C5TA-18827-A1 or -A2 installed with the AM radio as well as a second condenser, C3SA-18832-A on the regulator. See attached.
Shop manuals depict service requirements, not factory original.
Jim

[J_Speegle]

................Note that an Alternator does not require one on it like generators as the alternators have a built-in suppression.

Believe you will find that initially alternators did require the suppression, as we have found on tons of original 65's, but that changed fairly quickly. Recall it being a  65 verses 66 thing. Part number was C5TA-18827-A and they were being reproduced by Virginia Mustang

http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=12101.msg73357#msg73357



Some discussion on the subject here

http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=2154.msg24378#msg24378


And for example pictures in unrestored threads such as this

http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=7839.msg45560#msg45560

[Bob Gaines]

Also something to consider is whether it is needed in today's world or if is needed because the car is supposed to have one from a historical standpoint. Today's alternators and or predominate FM radio stations may not need the extra one at the alternator but the typical 65 alt harness has a plug for one to be added for when a radio was used besides the second one that was to be mounted at the regulator. I'm not familiar if the generator car harness has the extra plug or not. If no plug most likely no suppressor.  1966 alternator harness did not have the extra plug for a alternator mounted suppressor and only had one at the regulator. That fact should answer the question in the context of if it is supposed to be there or engineered to be there. Given the direction this website is gear for I can only default to assume that is the answer you are looking for.

[must69]

Bob, I have a very original 64.5 that did not have the supressor.  I became aware of it while searching a supplier catalog and began asking about it.  The 64.5 harness does not have a plug for the supressor.  It connects with a spade terminal on the voltage regulator.  Jeff found the detail info in the Electrical Assembly book.  I will assume it needs to be there, and I assume it was a dealer installed radio and the supressor was never installed.  Unsure at this time what time of radio we will install. 
Thanks for your input.
Phil

[mgmradio]

The suppressor on the alternator is a 65 thing. 66's had one built into the alternator. Not sure about a suppressor on the generator cars.
  Would concur that if your car is missing the suppressor on the regulator, that it has a dealer installed radio. My 4500 mile 65 coupe has a dealer installed radio and no suppressors installed? Probably went in the mechanics tool box.

[must69]

Thanks for the info.  Is there any way to tell if it was a dealer installed radio?
Phil

[jwc66k]

At one time I thought that Mustang factory radios said "Mustang" on the face plate, and dealer radios said "Ford". This my be an old wives tale.
Jim